Opal Fuels reports strong Q3 results with 30% increase in RNG production, affirming full year guidance despite lower RIN prices impacting adjusted EBITDA.
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- OPAL Fuels reported consistent operational progress in Q3 2025, maintaining full-year guidance with RNG production up by 30% year-over-year.
- The company brought the Atlantic Project online and began construction on the CMS RNG project, expanding its RNG facilities to 12 with a combined annual design capacity of 9.1 million MMBtu.
- Q3 adjusted EBITDA was $19.5 million, down from $31.1 million last year, impacted by lower RIN prices, though recent pricing trends are improving.
- OPAL Fuels completed its fourth investment tax credit monetization, with total gross proceeds of $43 million year-to-date, and plans to complete a fourth sale by early 2026.
- The company is focusing on expanding its downstream fuel station services segment, with 47 operating stations and 41 under construction, to support CNG and RNG adoption for heavy-duty trucking.
- Management remains optimistic about the regulatory support for RNG and the growth potential in the CNG market, projecting continued strong production growth in 2026 and beyond.
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OPERATOR - (00:02:00)
Good morning and welcome to OPAL Fuels third quarter 2025 earnings call and webcast. At this time, all participants are in a listen only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 11 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised to withdraw your question. Please press star 11 again. As a reminder, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the call over to Todd Firestone, Vice President of Investor Relations to begin. Please go ahead.
Todd Firestone - Vice President of Investor Relations - (00:02:38)
Thank you and good morning everyone. Welcome to the OPAL Fuels third quarter 2025 earnings conference call. With me today are co CEOs Adam Kamora and Jonathan Moore, as well as Kazi San, Opal's Chief Financial Officer. OPAL Fuels released financial and operating results for the third quarter 2025 yesterday afternoon and those results are available on the investor relations section of our website@opalfuels.com. The presentation and access to the webcast for this call are also available on our website. After completion of today's call, a replay will be available for 90 days. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that our remarks, including answers to your questions, contain forward looking statements such as risks, uncertainties and assumptions. These forward looking statements are not a guarantee of performance and actual results could differ materially from what is contained in such statements. Several factors that could cause or contribute to such differences are described on slides two and three of our presentation. These forward looking statements reflects our views as of the date of this call and OPAL Fuels does not undertake any obligation to update forward looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date of this call. Additionally, this call will contain discussion of certain non GAAP measures. Definitions of non-GAAP measures used in a reconciliation of these measures to the nearest GAAP measures including the appendix of the release and presentation. Adam will begin today's call providing an overview of the quarter's results, recent highlights and an update on our strategic and operational priorities. Jonathan will give a commercial and business development update after which Kazi will review financial results. We'll then open the call for questions. And now I'll turn the call over to Adam Kimora, co CEO of OPAL Fuels.
Adam Kamora - (00:04:21)
Thank you Todd. Good morning everyone and thank you for participating in OPAL Fuels third quarter 2025 earnings call. The third quarter was another quarter of consistent operational progress in line with our expectations and we are maintaining our full year guidance. RNG production was 1.3 million MMBtu representing both sequential growth and an increase of approximately 30% compared to the third quarter of last year. Importantly, due to all the operational improvements we are making, October production was the highest rate in OPAL's history following a record performance in September. These production rates are in line with the levels required to achieve the low end of our full year production guidance we set at the beginning of the year. The trajectory here is clear and the operating base is performing with greater consistency and reliability. We also continue to advance our growth plans at the end of the third quarter. We brought the Atlantic Project online and we are very pleased with its initial ramp. This is our first project with our partner South Jersey Industries. This project brings us to 12 operating RNG facilities with a combined 9.1 million MMBtu of annual design capacity. In addition, we began construction at our CMS RNG project in North Carolina representing 1.0 million MMBtu of annual design capacity net to Opal. We are continuing to advance a number of attractive new project opportunities within our pipeline and feel confident we have the ability to meet our target of 2.0 million MMBtu of annual design capacity into construction in 2025. On the financial side, we completed our fourth investment tax credit monetization to date and third for this year bringing our total gross proceeds to 43 million year to date. We expect that we will complete a fourth sale by year end or in early 2026. These ITC sales continue to be an effective tool to offset capital requirements and support our development program and as a reminder are not included in our adjusted EBITDA calculation. Our third quarter adjusted EBITDA was 19.5 million lower compared to the same period last year impacted by a lower RIN price environment. While RIN prices were lower in the third quarter, recent pricing trends have been constructive given the increasing production performance, the growth of fuel station services segment and beginning to recognize 45Z production tax credits in the fourth quarter. We remain confident in delivering operating and financial results in line with our full year guidance. As we look towards the future, we remain encouraged our growth will continue in 2026 and beyond. We have a robust opportunity set to continue to build our RNG production platform and see an increasing need for energy infrastructure assets to support CNG and RNG adoption for heavy duty trucking. CNG and RNG is being recognized as the most cost effective and operationally sound fuel choice to replace diesel. To capture some of the building momentum we're seeing in the downstream, we continue to invest in our team and the fuel station service segment as it becomes more of a focus in our capital allocation strategy. OPAL's vertically integrated model is continuing to show its strength to capitalize on this opportunity, bringing the most value to biogas, feedstock hosts and providing fleets with a partner that can deliver a full solution to decarbonize their fleet at a lower cost than diesel. With that, I'll turn it over to.
John - (00:08:01)
John, thank you Adam and good morning everyone. Our third quarter operational performance reflects continued. Growth across the platform. As Adam mentioned, we brought the Atlantic project online during the quarter, our first under our joint venture with South Jersey industries, adding approximately 0.33 million MMBtu of annual design capacity. This brings us to 12 operating RNG facilities with a combined 9.1 million MMBtu of annual design capacity, up from just two facilities when we became a public company in 2022. Atlantic's commissioning was delivered consistent with our guidance and is performing well in its first weeks of operation. Landfill gas resources above expectations and we expect production to steadily increase over the coming months. RNG production was 1.3 million MMBtu in the quarter, a 30% increase year over year driven by the continued ramp of Sapphire and Pulk as well as improving uptime across the base portfolio. The key here is consistency. The operating fleet is performing in a more repeatable manner along with a growing production. This improvement in performance is a direct result of the investments we are making in our operational team. We expect this trend to continue turning to development and construction. We are advancing the next wave of projects with CMS now in construction. Our in construction landfill RNG portfolio now totals 2.8 million MMBtu of annual design capacity and is progressing in line with our expectations. This in construction portfolio combined with our operating facilities will bring us to approximately 12.0 million MMBtu across 16 projects. Burlington and Cottonwood remain on track for 2026 commissioning and Kirby thereafter. We continue to see a pipeline of organic development opportunities with secured gas rights. We evaluate each project within a disciplined capital allocation framework, ensuring alignment with returns, liquidity and balance sheet priorities. We are developing a number of investment opportunities that meet these criteria for 2026 and beyond. On the downstream side, our fuel station services business continues to perform well, while 2025 has had a difficult backdrop for logistics and transportation firms which has slowed down all truck purchases and investment decisions, including the X15 CNG tractor. We expect to meet the lower end of the 30% to 50% segment EBITDA growth target despite the lower RIN price impact. We currently have 47 operating fueling stations and 41 stations under construction. Sixteen of which are OPAL-owned, bringing total OPAL-owned fueling stations in operation and construction to 63. Owning and operating fueling infrastructure allows us to participate directly in long term contracted per gallon economics that are largely independent of environmental credit pricing and provide recurring cash flow. This is strategically important as it provides access to the most valuable offtake market and allows us to scale our upstream RNG production platform. Additionally, the fuel station services segment provides a return profile largely uncorrelated to environmental credit prices, contributing to a more balanced and durable overall earnings mix. I'll now turn the call over to Qazi to discuss the quarter's financial performance.
Qazi - (00:12:08)
Qazi thank you John and good morning to everyone joining today's call. This quarter showed continued operational progress across the platform. We issued our earnings press release, posted an updated investor presentation on our website and expect to file our Form 10Q shortly. Revenue for the quarter was 83 million and adjusted EBITDA was 19.5 million compared to 84 million and 31.1 million for the same period last year. Due to lower realized RIN pricing and the expiration of ISCC pathway partially offset by higher RNG production, our realized RIN price was $2.15 versus $3.13 last year. We expect that the improvements in production and uptime we experienced through the quarter will continue and translate into improving financial performance of our upstream portfolio. This quarter's result reflect a more normalized GNA environment compared with last quarter which saw nonrecurRINg expense items in support of our investments in advocacy and technology for our operating platform. Turning to liquidity and capital deployment, we ended the quarter with 184 million of total liquidity which includes $29.9 million of cash and short term investments, $138.4 million of undrawn capacity under our term facility and $15.5 million of revolver availability. Capital expenditure for the quarter was $16.4 million. These capital expenditures relate to new RNG facilities and new OPAL owned fueling stations. Maintenance investments for operating assets are expensed in our income statement in the quarter. We monetized approximately 17 million of investment tax credits this quarter and we remain on track to achieve approximately 50 million in gross ITC monetization for the full year. The liquidity position together with operating cash flow and ITC monetization supports the projects currently under construction. As Adam mentioned, we expect to be within Our full year 2025 guidance for the fourth quarter higher RINg pricing compared to last quarter Sequential production growth expected fuel station services performance and contribution from 45Z tax credits support our adjusted EBITDA expectation, although likely towards the lower end of the range. Finally, we are working on refinancing of our preferred equity with Nextera. With our expected access to capital and existing liquidity resources, we will address the term of the existing preferred equity in the coming months. Stepping back, our financial strategy is clear. We are disciplined in investing capital within the capacity of our operating cash flow, balance sheet strength and capital market access. OPAL is generating an increasingly balanced and durable earnings base with flexibility to accelerate growth while returns justify it. With that, I'll turn the call back over to John for closing remarks.
John - (00:16:02)
In closing, we remain well positioned for continued disciplined execution of our strategic growth objectives and the expansion of Opel's vertically integrated platform. And with that, I'll turn the call over to the operator for Q and A. Thank you all for your interest in Opel Fuels.
OPERATOR - (00:16:24)
Please wait while we assemble the roster. Our first question comes from Derek Whitfield with Texas Capital.
Derek Whitfield - Equity Analyst - (00:16:37)
Good morning all and thanks for your time.
Adam Kamora - (00:16:39)
Good morning.
Derek Whitfield - Equity Analyst - (00:16:40)
Hey Derek, wanted to start with your RNG production trajectory. As you highlighted in your prepared commentary, the trajectory is continuing to grow and appears to be pacing at about a 0.1 million MMBtu growth level per quarter. I guess first, is that the right pacing level to think about kind of the growth through year end based on your October commentary? And then second, could you help me frame how this projects into 2026 based on the projects under construction now?
Adam Kamora - (00:17:13)
Yeah, Derek, that's right. We've seen great sequential growth in our projects. A lot of that comes from discipline of the team that we put in place over the course of the last year that has updated and revised really the data driven approach to our project operations both in terms of the landfill gas collection from a capacity inlet utilization point of view as well as from the efficiency and availability of the projects that are operating with the landfill gas they receive. We've seen good sequential growth in all of these metrics and that's resulted in same store sales growth from the projects that we're operating. So yes, I think we'll continue to see that trajectory move forward during the course of the rest of this year and into next year is our expectation. And so maybe Adam, you want to add to that? Yeah, Good morning Derek. You know, just as we're thinking about 2026, we're obviously not providing our full year guidance for 2026 or you know, what all the different KPIs are that we track for it, but we see a strong growth coming in 2026 and it's going to be supported by another year of strong production growth and a couple of other components as well, including a full year 45Z. And. You know, I'm sure there's going to be some other questions as we look into 2026. You know, there's probably some seasonality factors that we're going to be highlighting as well and maybe doing, you know, a job of explaining to folks across the different business segments. We see 2026 to be another strong year of production growth for us. Terrific.
Derek Whitfield - Equity Analyst - (00:19:18)
And for my follow up, I'll stay with you, Adam, and focus on the regulatory environment. In light of the government shutdown on your recent engagement with the administration, what are your time and expectations for a final rvo? And importantly, do you think there's an appetite from the administration to increase the D3RVO based on the strength of recent RIN generation reports?
Adam Kamora - (00:19:41)
Yeah, both very good questions. So, you know, I think the final RVO rules, you know, it is being impacted by this government shutdown and you know, it's difficult to ascertain exactly how long it will take for them to issue the final set Rule two once they reopen. I do think that they're looking at volumes across the categories. You know, it's really important to note that, you know, we believe what, you know, RNG does receive bipartisan support. We've seen it in the tax policy and we have been speaking with a number of folks on the Republican side of things as it pertains to D3 volumes. And you have to remember that, you know, a lot of these RNG projects are in red and rural areas. They're municipal owned facilities. And it's and you know, celluloxic corn kernel ethanol is also a growing piece of the D3 category. So we do feel the support is there. And you know, maybe it'll take 30 days, maybe it'll take 45 days after they reopen. There has been a lot of pressure on the EPA to stick with their timelines, but we remain cautiously optimistic that the administration, just like we've seen across the House and the Senate, you know, will continue to support rng.
Derek Whitfield - Equity Analyst - (00:21:09)
Perfect. Thanks for your time. I'll leave it there.
OPERATOR - (00:21:14)
Our next question comes from Matthew Blair with pph.
Matthew Blair - Equity Analyst - (00:21:19)
Thank you and good morning, Adam and John. You know, you've highlighted in the past that your landfill RNG assets have very strong free cash flow generation once they're up and running. We don't really see that in the OPWL financial metrics because of all the growth spending so could you talk about the balance there? Is there any sort of thought to slowing down the growth, slowing down the capex in order to just show a stronger free cash flow, really illuminate that underlying free cash flow generation that you do have?
Adam Kamora - (00:21:54)
Yeah, this is Adam here and appreciate that question. And what we're trying to continue to highlight is that the maintenance capex that we have on our facilities is included in our operations and our operating cash flow. So when you look at the capex on our balance sheet, that is solely on new RNG project facilities and also new Opal owned fueling stations. So when you look at our cash flow statement and you look at our financial metrics, what comes out of operating cash flow will be the discretionary free cash flow for Opal Fuels. And you know, hopefully investors understand that metric and you know, we're going to continue to try and help illuminate that for the investor community. Sounds good.
Matthew Blair - Equity Analyst - (00:22:50)
And then you mentioned that 2026, I think you said would include the full year of 45Z. Can you talk about how much 45Z, if any, you've received in the third quarter and how much you might get in the fourth quarter? And if you could perhaps illuminate a range of 45Z contribution in 2026, is this something that helps out your landfill plants in addition to your dairy exposure as well?
Adam Kamora - (00:23:20)
Yeah, this is Adam again. Just a couple of things on 45Z. One is we're pleased that we've, we've now registered all of our facilities starting in the fourth quarter for 45Z generation. And we are aware that there have been some transactions in the marketplace where folks have been monetizing their 45Z and we continue to finalize documentation and work through the mechanics for it. And there already are existing grip models to generate those 45Z credits. And to an earlier question on the government shutdown, you know, there is also a chance that there will be another 45z Greit model that gets issued once the government reopens. But what we've thought about and what we're including in our thinking on the fourth quarter is just the existing greit models. And you know, whether or not that there's there's going to be any improvements to that, certainly we could be taking advantage of that as well. And you know, as we. And when you think about our sequential ramp into the fourth quarter, Kazi highlighted four different elements. One is increasing production like we've talked about and are expecting here in the fourth quarter. We've also got that, you know, RIN price lift in the fourth quarter versus what we experienced in the third quarter. There's also some fuel station services seasonality which we'll get I'm sure some future questions on where our LCFS credit sales typically occur after we've aggregated them over a two quarter period. So we'll get a lift of that in the fourth quarter as well as just good base underlying growth in fuel station services. And the fourth piece is the 45Z credits that will begin recognizing here in the fourth quarter. So when you look at all four of those pieces, they're fairly evenly distributed amongst those four items and you know we'll see a full year of that contribution from 45Z as we move into 2026 and quite frankly for the next through 2029.
Matthew Blair - Equity Analyst - (00:25:41)
Great, thank you.
OPERATOR - (00:25:45)
Our next question comes from Adam Bupes with Goldman Sachs.
Adam Bupes - Equity Analyst - (00:25:50)
Hi, good morning. Just a finer point on the Q4 implied guide. I think at the low end it's around 34 million. So sharp sequential ramp as you alluded to. Just could you put a finer point. On the D3RIN price? What are you seeing for 4Q and how much of the 45Z is contributing as well?
Adam Kamora - (00:26:12)
Yeah, so in the fourth quarter I think, you know, I think most people are aware that the price has risen to around $2.40 for the D3RINs. And you know, if you do the math on our production there are some royalties that you take out of that but that is a. I don't think we're going into the quite granularity of each one of those pieces but that is part of that sequential lift. We're also going to see an improved performance in fuel station services and there will be some component to 45Z. I think we're. Those are fairly even distributed amongst those factors. And then the production lift would be the other piece. And then for 2026.
Adam Bupes - Equity Analyst - (00:27:07)
Can you just comment? Have you started to lock in D3RIN volumes in the sort of contracted market and if so what are those contracts looking like?
Adam Kamora - (00:27:20)
Yeah, so not just yet on 2026. You know I think obligated parties which is really the chunkier volume of trans the RIN market, you know, the obligated parties we feel like are still hanging back on 2026 until you know there are some final rules that get issued and you know, so you know the 2026 pricing is around where the 2025 is but we haven't seen a lot of volumes in the marketplace just yet. And you know, I think there was an earlier question as well around the regulatory outlook in just as we're thinking about RIN pricing, as we move forward into 2026 and 2027, you know, the D3RIN market can get tightened, you know, one of two ways. One is we can see a boost in RVO volumes, which a lot of folks have been advocating and we feel like there is some support for. And then the other way that D3RINs can tighten is if, you know, RNG producers decide to move volumes out of the RFS and transportation fuel. And, you know, that's a possibility as well. So we have not begun selling forward in any serious magnitude in 26, but we expect that market to develop shortly, you know, once the rules are finalized.
Adam Bupes - Equity Analyst - (00:28:46)
And then last one for me, I think, you know, based on the data we're looking at, natural gas vehicle consumption already uses almost entirely renewable natural gas. So what's sort of your outlook on potential for increasing natural gas vehicle adoption over the next couple years? And do you view the bottleneck from here as more so the infrastructure or willingness to purchase the vehicles?
Adam Kamora - (00:29:12)
Yeah, and I know we and others in the industry keep expressing optimism around natural gas deployment to replace diesel. And we're really optimistic that we're starting to see that traction take hold and really excited about some of the fleets that we're talking to on this. And I would highlight for folks as well some of the recent team additions that we've had here at Opel Fuels, both at the board level and, you know, with the team leadership with a new chief revenue officer on fuel station services. And, you know, it has become the clear choice for fleets to decarbonize and reduce their cost of diesel. You know, we had, you know, a confluence of factors in the beginning of 25 between a model changeover, a equipment pricing on CNG adoption and some macro headwinds, whether it be tariffs and some other things where we felt like a lot of fleets were really interested in it, liked it in concept, but weren't really ready to pull the trigger yet. And. The industry has been addressing some of those equipment pricing issues, residual values, leasing programs, that sort of thing. And we really feel good that some fleets are starting ready to make some of these deployment decisions. And what I would also say as we look into 26 for Opal Fuels, you know, we do see, you know, a good growth from across our business segments. You know, a lot of those deployment decisions, though, there is a lag for when the fuel stations get built and trucks get delivered. So as we look forward into 2026 we really do think that there's going to be some fleet deployment decisions which then translates into 27. We have other factors that we think will lead to some fuel station service growth in 26. But you know, we've certainly been preparing for what we see is an open ended growth trajectory for not only rng, but cng. And you know, when we talk about natural gas for heavy duty trucking here, this is something that we think makes a lot of sense across the aisle where, you know, when a lot of folks are focused on energy dominance, disinflationary types of policies, natural gas fits the bill quite, quite well, you know, and you also get some of those other environmental benefits that come along with it in terms of air quality and that sort of thing. So, you know, we think CNG is going to have a very interesting growth trajectory as we work through some of the equipment pricing issues which have been going down and some of these other kind of issues and fleets and logistic firms have adjusted to those macros. Right? You go through that, you know, that first quarter, quarter or two when you're just trying to deal with some of that macro backdrop and then you start operating under it and you start moving forward with some of those parameters.
Adam Bupes - Equity Analyst - (00:32:41)
Terrific. Thanks so much.
OPERATOR - (00:32:45)
Our next question comes from Ryan Pfingst with B. Riley.
Ryan Pfingst - Equity Analyst - (00:32:51)
Hey guys, thanks for taking my questions. Curious what you've been seeing or hearing broadly in the voluntary market and if you're weighing any opportunities there today.
Adam Kamora - (00:33:05)
So this is Adam again here. You know, one voluntary market that we've been interested in and potentially excited about is marine fuel. And you know, there was a delay on some marine fuel adoption out of that, IMO read. And you know, there will be a play for RNG in that marine fuel market. I feel like it's been pushed out a little bit because of that, you know, delayed approach to how they're going to be using, you know, renewable methanol as marine fuel. There are a couple of states that are starting to think about RNG and how they achieve their objectives on decarbonizing their fuel mix, but we have not seen yet where it makes sense to transact and commit some of our RNG into those voluntary markets. You know, we're still of the opinion that there's a little bit of a misunderstanding or misconception around the reg risk of RNG in the transportation fuel market and the renewable fuel standard. And up until this point it still hasn't quite made sense to us to transact in those voluntary markets until we see some of Those other things open up and we get a little bit more to offtake parity for what again, we consider a little bit of mispriced reg risk or regulatory uncertainty. We kind of feel like that's the case across Opal Fuels and how people think about rng. In addition, I'd just add that some of our competitors have reported committing to voluntary markets. Not sure exactly what volumes, but that would have the effect of really opening up a little bit of the dispensing and helping. Yes. The only thing also I would add there is. I also think that's a function of our business model. The fact that we're vertically integrated and we've got that visibility into the highest offtake market. I don't know if others feel like maybe they're sort of pushed into those markets because they don't have that same vertical integration that we have, but we still continue to believe we're going to make the most money for our shareholders continuing to tap into the most valuable offtake market.
Ryan Pfingst - Equity Analyst - (00:35:52)
Got it. Yeah. No, makes sense. Appreciate all that detail. Could segue to my next question, which is has competition for RNG project development picked up or have more players enter the market following the one big beautiful bill and the more positive policy environment that you have today?
Adam Kamora - (00:36:16)
You know, I think that access to capital and limited access to dispensing has really put a little bit of a limit on what competitors are able to do in the market. Yeah, you saw a big kind of go, go push, especially leading into the $3 RIN period after the RFS first set rule. And now with the uncertainty from the EPA waiver last year, use of their general waiver, I think that that's caused a little bit of a lid on on D3 pricing, limited access to capital. And to your earlier question, I really don't think that the voluntary market is that deep, or at least we haven't seen it being that deep. So without access to offtake, I think it's really limiting what other developers are able to do. Sure, you'll still see other projects coming online, but I think sequentially you'll see it maybe a little bit slower.
Ryan Pfingst - Equity Analyst - (00:37:29)
Yeah. And if you don't mind, I just. Want to go back because I don't.
Adam Kamora - (00:37:31)
Think I answered the second part to an earlier question on the free cash flow generation and slowing down growth and that sort of thing. I just want to stress that we are extraordinarily disciplined here at Opel Fuels in terms of our capital deployment. And if we're not seeing paybacks of that four to five year period on new RNG project development. We are not going to develop those projects. We do have a strong advanced development pipeline of projects that meet our investment criteria and we're going to continue to be disciplined and invest in those projects that we think are going to generate long term value for our shareholders. And we'll continue to try and do a better job highlighting of discretionary free cash flow and that capex on our cash flow statement solely associated to new projects, RNG projects or fuel stations or maybe an IT platform or something like that we're investing in. But we've always been disciplined in terms of the projects that meet that investment criteria and we're going to continue to methodically find those projects that hit our investment criteria.
Ryan Pfingst - Equity Analyst - (00:39:02)
Great. I appreciate all that detail guys. I'll turn it back.
OPERATOR - (00:39:08)
Our next question comes from Betty Zhang with Scotiabank.
Betty Zhang - Equity Analyst - (00:39:13)
Thanks. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to ask about what seems to be a shift to focus more on the downstream fuel distribution. So just wondering if you could elaborate a bit more on how you're thinking about the strategy, what factors are driving that and what that would entail. So is that just building more stations or what else? If you could share a bit more.
Adam Kamora - (00:39:44)
Sure, let me take that one. The downstream segment. If Adam mentioned, John mentioned before, even in our prepared remark, we do see a cash flow stream that's coming uncorrelated with the RFS market and ream volume or prices. So it allows us to create a business segment that potentially will provide a lot more balanced earnings profile going forward, including cash flow profile. That is what we are looking towards to add value to our shareholders and that is the overall objective. And our business model also allows us to deploy capital with a very healthy cushion over our cost of capital. In the downstream segment and our business model, we have worked with the fleet owners, operators and have them to convert their diesel to CNG and rng. So this is where we are going. We are going to create a balanced portfolio which allows us to take advantage of both RFS market and the downstream CNG RNG market. Yes. And I would just say it's where we see a really attractive opportunity in terms of some open ended growth. I know we spend a lot of time talking about rng, but if you think about the diesel market Here in the US it's 45 billion gallons and natural gases is a billion of it today. And we think this is going to make sense for a lot of fleets and we think the fuel station service segment will have a life of its own past RNG as once we start getting some of these early fleet adopters in there and we understand the attractiveness of RNG because it not only saves money, but it also allows folks, folks to achieve some sustainability goals, we're going to see more folks on the equipment side of things, economies of scale there, the premium of that tractor going down. And CNG is going to make a lot of economic sense for a lot of folks. If you go back to when the 9 and the 12 liter engine came out, those things were pretty priced much closer to diesel from a tractor perspective. And when that starts happening, it's going to be an interesting market for CNG versus diesel. I would just add that it's just also more to the point that our vertically integrated business model presents opportunities on the upstream and downstream side which where growth in one area supports the other and vice versa. And that's the condition we're seeing today.
Betty Zhang - Equity Analyst - (00:42:49)
Patty. Great. Thank you for that. And then lastly, if I could ask you to discuss your capital position and how you're thinking about funding needs over the medium term.
Kazi - (00:43:05)
Yeah, that's, that's again, I think Adam already touched on it before. Our committed capital are within what we can afford from our operating cash flow and our existing liquidity resources. So if we look at our growth profile and the amount we have committed is, you can actually look through our operating cash flow and available capital. All the new projects that we are going to be doing, we will be securing, securing new capital in order for us to commit to new capital projects. So in general, we are very prudent. Of where we are committing our capital.
Betty Zhang - Equity Analyst - (00:43:49)
Thank you.
OPERATOR - (00:43:53)
That concludes today's question and answer session. I'd like to turn the call back to Adam Kimora for closing remarks.
Adam Kimora - Co-CEO - (00:43:59)
All right, we thank everybody for your interest in Opal Fuels and hope you have a great rest of the day.
OPERATOR - (00:44:05)
This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.
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