WhiteHorse Finance adjusts distribution strategy amid disappointing Q3 results
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WhiteHorse Finance reports $6.1 million in Q3 net investment income, announces distribution cut to $0.25 per share amid challenging market conditions.


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  • WhiteHorse Finance reported a Q3 2025 net investment income of $6.1 million or 26.3 cents per share, down from $6.6 million or 28.2 cents per share in Q2.
  • Net Asset Value (NAV) per share decreased by 3.6% to $11.41 due to net realized and unrealized losses totaling $6.7 million.
  • The Board has reset the quarterly base distribution to $0.25 per share due to current market conditions and expectations of lower interest rates.
  • A share buyback program of up to $15 million has been approved, targeting shares trading at a significant discount to NAV.
  • The advisor has agreed to temporarily reduce the incentive fee from 20% to 17.5% for the next two fiscal quarters to support shareholder distributions.
  • The company's total investments decreased by $60.9 million to $568.4 million due to net repayments and JV transfers.
  • Non-accrual investments improved, representing 2.7% of the debt portfolio at fair value, down from 4.9% in the previous quarter.
  • Management noted that market conditions remain competitive with aggressive pricing, particularly for non-sponsor deals, which they continue to focus on.
  • Future outlook includes a cautious approach with a focus on the non-sponsor market and managing troubled assets, with expectations of a slow recovery for non-accrual assets over 12 to 24 months.

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Chloe - Conference Operator - (00:02:32)

Please stand by. Your program is about to begin. If you require assistance throughout the event today, please press star zero. Good afternoon, my name is Chloe and I will be your conference operator today. At this time I would like to welcome everyone to the White Horse Finance third quarter 2024 earnings conference call. Our hosts for today's call are Stuart Aronson, Chief Executive Officer and Joyce Thomas, Chief Financial Officer. Today's call is being recorded and will be made available for replay beginning at 4pm Eastern Time. The replay dial in number is 402-220-2572. No passcode required at this time. All participants have been placed in a listen only mode and the floor will be open for your questions following the presentation. If you would like to ask a question at that time, Please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. If you wish to remove yourself from the queue, press star two. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Robert Brinberg of Rose & Company. Please go ahead.

Robert Brinberg - (00:03:56)

Thank you Chloe. And thank you everyone for joining us today to Discuss WhiteHorse Finance's third quarter 2025 earnings results. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that certain statements which are not based on historical facts made during this call, including any statements relating to financial guidance, may be deemed forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform act of 1995. Because these forward looking statements involve known and unknown risks and uncertainties, these are important factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those expressed implied by these forward looking statements. Whitehorse Finance assumes no obligation or responsibility to update any forward looking statements. Today's speakers may refer to material from the Whitehorse Finance third quarter 2025 earnings presentation which was posted on our website this morning. With that, allow me to introduce WhiteHorse Finance's CEO, Stuart Aronson. Stuart, you may be.

Stuart Aronson - Chief Executive Officer - (00:04:59)

Thank you Rob and good afternoon everybody. Thank you for joining us today. As you're aware, we issued our earnings this morning before market open and I hope you've had a chance to review our results for the period ending September 30, 2025, which can also be found on our website. On today's call, I will begin by addressing our third quarter results and current market conditions. Joyce Thomas, our Chief Financial Officer, will then discuss our performance in greater detail, after which we will open the floor for questions. Our results for the third quarter of 2025 were disappointing and reflect the onset of interest rate cuts, continued pressure on market spreads, as well as the impact of material markdowns on some credits that we have previously discussed Q3 GAAP net investment income and core NII was 6.1 million or 26.3 cents per share, compared with Q2 gap in core NII of 6.6 million or 28.2 cents per share. NAV per share at the end of Q3 was $11.41, representing approximately a 3.6% decrease from the prior quarter. In addition to the approximate 12 cent shortfall in NII coverage of our Q3 base distribution, NAV per share was also impacted by net realized and unrealized losses in our portfolio totaling 6.7 million or approximately $0.29 per share, which I'll discuss later in the call. As a result of these earnings and current market conditions, I have three important announcements. First, given the current earnings power of the Business Development Company (BDC) as well as our expectations for lower interest rates and continued spread compression in challenging market conditions, our Board of Directors has taken the prudent measure to reset our quarterly base distribution to $0.25 per share. This adjusted distribution rate represents an implied 8.8% annualized yield based on the Company's ending NAV per share as of the end of the third quarter. This was a difficult but necessary decision. Ultimately, we believe the reset puts us in a better position to earn our base distribution going forward. Given Management's expected earnings power of the bdc, future base rate movements as well as current market conditions, we will continue our distribution policy framework that was previously announced during our Q1 2023 earnings call on May 9, 2023 where the company intends to distribute its base distribution as well as make potential supplemental distributions above the base level in the future pursuant to this distribution policy. To the extent our non accrual and other troubled situations in our portfolio result in recoveries, or if current market conditions improve and or base rates increase and any of these factors lead to additional earnings, we will be prepared to share those incremental earnings with investors in the form of supplemental or special distributions. Joycen will provide a refresher on how our supplemental distribution policy gets calculated when he speaks in a little while. Second, on the Big Topics As a result of recent disappointing results and as a part of our ongoing commitment to align interest to the Advisor with those of our shareholders, the Advisor has voluntarily agreed to reduce the incentive fee on net investment income from its stated annual rate of 20% to 17 and a half percent for the next two fiscal quarters ending December 31, 2025 and March 31, 2026 respectively. This temporary two and a half point reduction in our income based incentive fee will provide additional financial support for our quarterly distributions to shareholders. The Advisor may extend this voluntary reduction. However, the duration and extent of future reductions are uncertain and will be subject to ongoing discussions with the Board. Finally, given the discount of the Company's stock price relative to its book value, the Board has approved a share buyback program of up to $15 million. Under the share repurchase program, the Company may but is not obligated to repurchase this outstanding common stock in the open market from time to time at the then current market prices at the discretion of Whitehorse Finance's management team. The Company's current share price level implies a discount to its current book value of more than 40%, which we believe will result in very accretive share repurchases. Turning now to portfolio portfolio activity, we had gross deployments of 19.3 million in Q3, which was more than offset by elevated repayments and sales of 50.5 million, resulting in net repayments of 31.2 million. Gross capital deployments consisted of two new originations totaling 14.3 million and the remaining amounts were deployed to fund two add ons to existing investments. In addition, there was a half a million in net fundings made on revolver commitments. Our new originations in Q3 included one non sponsor and one sponsor deal at an average under an average leverage of approximately 3 1/2 times EBITDA. All of our Q3 deals were first lien loans at an average spread of 612 basis points. Total repayments and sales were driven by complete or partial realizations in five portfolio positions including Barbecue Guys, Lab Logistics, Power plant Services, Coastal TV and Ross Simon. At the end of Q3, 99.2% of our debt portfolio is first lien senior secured and our portfolio ownership mix was approximately 65% sponsor and 35% non sponsor. The weighted average effective yield on our income producing debt Investments decreased to 11.6% as of the end of Q3 compared to 11.9% in Q2, mainly due to lower spreads and lower base rates. The weighted average effective yield on our overall portfolio also decreased slightly to 9.5% at the end of Q3 compared to approximately 9.8% at the end of Q2. During the quarter, the Business Development Company (BDC) transferred one new deal and four existing investments to the SDRs. JV at the end of Q3, the STRS JV portfolio had an aggregate fair value of 341.5 million and an average effective yield of 10.3% compared with 10.6% from Q2 we continue to successfully utilize the STRS JV and believe Whitehorse Finance's equity investment in the JV continues to provide attractive returns for our shareholders. After net repayments and JV transfers activity as well as the net realized and unrealized losses recognized during the quarter, total investments decreased from the prior quarter by 60.9 million to 568.4 million. This compares to our portfolio's fair value of 629.3 million at the end of Q2. During the quarter we recognized 1.8 million in net realized losses and approximately 4.9 million of net unrealized losses for an aggregate total of 6.7 million in net realized and unrealized losses in Q3. Our mark to market losses were primarily driven by write downs in Alvaria, which was formerly known as Aspect Software and and in Amarillo Fitness, also formerly known as Honors Holdings. Alvaria has continued to underperform and has struggled to service its existing debt levels. At the end of the third quarter we marked down our position in Alvaria by approximately 1.7 million based on our expectations of a multi tiered restructuring to occur in Q4. Subsequent to the quarter end, a lender group including Whitehorse completed a restructuring of the transaction in which we extinguished our existing debt position for cash and equity consideration equal to approximately the aggregate fair value we marked to as of the end of September 30th. Amarillo Fitness, which is the largest franchisee of Orange Theory Fitness, also continues to underperform. At the end of the third quarter we marked down our position by approximately 4.4 million. In the aggregate, we're making every effort to optimize Camarillo to be well positioned for new year signup period which could give the business a boost in performance. As a partial offset to the markdowns this quarter we were able to provide an incremental add on to motivational marketing subsequent to the end of the quarter to help effectuate the merging of that portfolio company with another portfolio company. As part of the add on, the sponsor contributed a fresh amount of additional equity cushion behind the debt and as a result that has taken leverage of motivational marketing down significantly and led to a slight markup of approximately 0.7 million on that asset. The Business Development Company (BDC) also recognized 2.1 million in realized losses which was partially offset by a reversal of approximately 1.7 million in previously recorded unrealized losses from the restructuring of MSI Information Systems. With the with the restructuring of msi, the restructured debt investments returned back to accrual status as we expected it would. Non accrual Investments now represent 2.7% of the debt portfolio at fair value, an improvement compared with 4.9% of the debt portfolio in the prior quarter. Other deals on non accrual are likely to remain that way for some period of time. We are continuing to actively work on getting deals off non accrual, leveraging the expertise of our 5 person dedicated white horse restructuring team and the resources of HIG Capital. Aside from the credits on non accrual, our portfolio is performing quite well. Turning to the lending market, M and A activity has not picked up as much as the investment banks and private equity shops had hoped for. Although there has been a steady trickle of improvement, there is still plenty of capital available to serve the reduced supply of new financings in the market and the environment remains extremely competitive, particularly for companies that are non cyclical and do not have meaningful international sale exposure. Sales Exposure Lenders in the sponsor markets are being very aggressive while the non sponsor markets continue to be less competitive in the mid market. Pricing for sponsor deals is pretty solidly in the SOFR 450 to 500 range as competition is compressed spreads and OID is typically a point to a point and a half lower. Mid market sponsored deals are pricing in the 475 to 575 spread over SOFR. At least a range of that leverage multiples are between four and six times and partial pick features are being used selectively to make cash flows work on upper mid cap and large cap deals. The non sponsor market remains much less competitive and has a significant pricing premium compared to the sponsor market. We are generally seeing non sponsor deals pricing at SOFR plus 600 and above. OID is still generally 2 points or higher compared to sponsor deals. Leverage levels on non sponsored deals have been consistently lower and in more stable than the sponsor backed deals. To put the attractiveness of the non sponsor market in context, our non sponsor mandates are still levered only three to five and a half times and the highest deal we have priced recently is at SOFR 650 plus a warrant. We continue to focus significant resources on the non sponsor market where there are better risk returns in many cases and much less competition than what we were seeing especially in the on the run sponsor market. We currently have 22 originators covering 13 regional markets. Given market conditions, these originators are primarily focused on on sourcing off the run sponsor deals and non sponsor deals. As we look for value and good risk return in a market where there's limited deal flow and a lot of aggressiveness. Subsequent to quarter end the Business Development Company (BDC) is closed on one new deal and one add on investment totaling 16.2 million and had one full repayment totaling 22.2 million. Following the net deployment activity to date in Q4, the Business Development Company (BDC)'s remaining capacity is approximately 40 million and pro forma for several transactions that we anticipate to close in Q4 of 2025 the Business Development Company (BDC)'s capacity for new assets is approximately 20 million. At the end of the third quarter the STRS JV's remaining capacity was approximately 20 million and pro forma for recently mandated deals to eventually be transferred in the JV's capacity is fully deployed. Our pipeline remains lower than normal for this time of year. We currently have six new mandates and are working on three add ons to existing deals. Our six mandates comprise are comprised of two non sponsor deals and four sponsor deals. While there can be no assurances that any of these deals will close, all of these credits would fit into the Business Development Company (BDC) or or our JV should we elect to transact. All the non sponsor mandates have pricing of 600 over SOFR or better and would be targeted to go into the Business Development Company (BDC)'s balance sheet. Several of these mandates are large and will help us with asset balances in the Business Development Company (BDC). The sponsor mandates have pricing of 425 to 550 over SOFR. With that, I'll turn the call over to Joycen for additional performance details and a review of our portfolio composition.

Joyce Thomas - (00:20:01)

Joycen thanks Stuart and thanks everyone for joining today's call. During the quarter we recorded GAAP net investment income in core NII of $6.1 million or 26.3 cents per share. This compares with Q2 GAAP NI and core NI of 6.6 million or 28.2 cents per share as well as our previously declared third quarter base distribution 38.5 cents per share. Q3 fee income was only approximately 0.1 million and was lower than historical quarters due to lower amendment and prepayment fee activity for the quarter, we reported a net decrease in net assets resulting from operations of 0.6 million. Our risk ratings during the quarter showed that approximately 81.8% of our portfolio positions either carried a 1 or 2 rating, an increase in 76.8% reported in the prior quarter. Upgrades during the quarter included positions in Motivational Marketing and Educational Dynamics which were Both upgraded to A2 and positions in Telestream which was upgraded to A3 as a reminder A1 rating indicates that a company has seen its risk of loss reduced relative to initial expectations and a 2 rating indicates that a company is performing according to such initial expectations. Regarding the jv, specifically, we continue to grow our investment. As Stuart mentioned earlier in the call, we transferred one new deal and four existing investments during the third quarter to the SRS JV totaling $24.2 million. As of September 30, 2025, the JV's portfolio held positions in 43 portfolio companies with an aggregate fair value of 341.5 million compared to 43 portfolio companies with an aggregate fair Value of 330.2 million as of June 30, 2025. Leverage for the JV at the end of Q3 was approximately 1.24 times compared with 1.16 times at the end of the prior quarter. The investment in the JV continues to be accretive for the BDC's earnings, generating a mid teens return on equity during Q3. Income recognized from our JV investment aggregated to approximately 3.6 million, a slight increase from the 3.4 million reported in Q2. As we have noted in prior calls, the yield on our investment in the JV may fluctuate period over period as a result of a number of factors including the timing and amount of additional capital investments, the changes in asset yields in the underlying portfolio, as well as the overall credit performance of the JV's investment portfolio. Turning to our balance sheet, we had cash resources of approximately $45.9 million at the end of Q3, including 36.4 million restricted cash and 100 million of undrawn capacity on under a revolving credit facility. Following elevated repayments during the quarter, we repaid in full the $40 million of unsecured notes paying 5.375% interest that were due to mature on October 20th. As of September 30, 2025, the company's asset coverage ratio for borrowed amounts as defined by the 1940 act was 180.7%, which was above the minimum asset coverage ratio of 150%. Our Q3 net effective debt to equity ratio after adjusting for cash on hand was approximately 1.07 times compared with 1.22 times from the prior quarter. Before I conclude and open up the call to questions, I'd like to discuss our distribution policy. This morning we announced that our board declared a fourth quarter base distribution of $0.25 per share to supplement Stewart's earlier comments. I note the company still has the ability under our existing distribution framework to issue supplemental distrib each quarter. The Board will utilize this framework to determine if a supplemental distribution should be made in addition to the regular base quarterly distribution. The framework the Board will use to determine the supplemental distribution, if any, will be calculated as the lesser of 1 50% of the quarter's earnings that is in excess of the quarterly base distribution and 2 an amount that results in no more than a 15 cent per share decline in NAV over the current quarter and preceding quarter earnings. For the purpose of measuring the excess over the quarter's base distribution is net investment income. The NAV decline measurement is inclusive of the supplemental distribution calculated and to be clear, is measured over the two most recently completed orders. We believe this formulaic supplemental distribution framework allows us to maximize distributions to our shareholders while preserving the stability of our nav, a factor that we do believe to be an important driver of shareholder economics over time. The upcoming 25 cent distribution will be payable on January 5, 2026 to stockholders of record as of December 22, 2025. As we said previously, we will continue to evaluate a quarterly distribution both in the near and medium term based on the core earnings power of a portfolio in addition to other relevant factors that may warrant consideration. In addition to our quarterly distribution, we elected to declare a Special distribution of 3.5 cents per share for stockholders of record as of October 31, 2025. The distribution will be payable on December 10, 2025. This distribution was related to undistributed taxable income that was earned last year, which would have otherwise been taxable. With that, I'll now turn the call over to the operator for your questions. Operator.

OPERATOR - (00:25:31)

Thank you. At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press the STAR and one on your telephone keypad. You may withdraw yourself from the queue at any time by pressing STAR two Once again for your questions today, that is STAR and one. And we will take our first question from Melissa Wettle with JP Morgan. Your line is open.

Melissa Wettle - Equity Analyst - (00:26:00)

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions today. I wanted to start with the dividend and understand how you're approaching it with the announce. So the 4Q level of 25 cents a share, should we be thinking about that as the new base level, or is this going to be something that will fluctuate a little bit more quarter to quarter outside of the supplemental component?

Stuart Aronson - Chief Executive Officer - (00:26:29)

Melissa, we took a look at where interest rates are, what interest rates are supposed to do in the future, where deployments are, what the current market spreads are, and the earnings power of the BDC given some losses on accounts that we've taken, both realized and unrealized losses. And we came up with a sensitivity analysis that caused us to work with the board to set a new base dividend that should be a long term dividend if our projections as to market conditions and interest rates are correct. And we set that at a level that we believe we can earn on a quarterly basis reliably, even if interest rates do continue to decline in alignment with the current yield curve.

Melissa Wettle - Equity Analyst - (00:27:33)

Okay, appreciate that. And then as a follow up, wanted to touch on the fee waiver. I'm curious about, I guess two aspects of it. The level going to 17 and a half from 20 and the 2 quarters for 4Q and 1Q that that will apply to. I guess the question behind both is why that level and why that time frame. Is there a longer term consideration the board was taking under advisement? Thank you.

Stuart Aronson - Chief Executive Officer - (00:28:06)

Thank you, Melissa. The board and the manager discussed what we should do vis a vis providing some cushion to the earnings capability of the BDC. And it was agreed that we would waive the two and a half percent amount for or forgive the two and a half percent amount for the next two quarters. And then based on the performance of the BDC going forward, the board and the manager will discuss whether additional forgiveness is warranted and appropriate. So two quarters are done and going forward it'll be based on discussions between the board and the manager and linked to the results of the BDC.

OPERATOR - (00:29:05)

And we'll take our next question from Robert Dodd with Raymond James. Your line is open.

Robert Dodd - (00:29:13)

Hi guys. Looking at the BDC and the JV to your comments too, it sounds like you're about to be really close to full capacity in terms of investments unless obviously there's recoveries from some of these stress assets. So I appreciate all the color you gave us on the situation at some of these businesses, but can you give us any more thoughts on. And obviously some of these turnarounds, they don't happen quick. To your point, Cameron? Maybe, maybe it gets through Q1 and there's a rebound in activity. But what, what are your long term realistic expectations about fair value recovery from these troubled assets? Because obviously that's, that's one of the tools that would potentially be reinvestable, maybe maybe rebound the dividend, maybe give the BDC a bit more capacity. Any thoughts on what you can tell us on the real prospects there?

Stuart Aronson - Chief Executive Officer - (00:30:26)

Yeah, Robert, the deals that are on non accrual right now, as I indicated in the prepared remarks, are likely to remain on non accrual for at least the next 12 to 24 months. In a number of cases, we have taken over the management of those companies and our five person restructuring team works cooperatively with HIG private equity operating professionals to make sure that we're getting optimal management teams into those companies, cutting costs where appropriate and driving growth strategies. But the turnaround of those credits for the most part is a multi year effort in certain circumstances. As it regards a credit like Playmonster, we have taken it and that was a credit where there was fraud originally and we found out that the EBITDA of the company was actually pretty strongly negative. We have turned that company around and the EBITDA is now positive. We believe we have a good management team and we're hoping for improved results not only this year but heading into next year. So that would be a good example of an account that's heading in the right direction. But in order for us to get to a markup and a cash realization, we need to continue to turn that account around more than has already occurred so far. And the same is true for credits like Arcserve, which we're still working on, and a couple of the other credits in the portfolio. So in, in all the cases except for Aspect Software and Amarillo, we're seeing stabilization to improvement in the performance of the company. But we do think it's going to be a significant period of time again, at least 12 to 24 months before those assets that are on a non accrual come back onto accrual.

Robert Dodd - (00:32:47)

Got it, thank you. On the, can you give us any kind of on like the track record of, of performance sponsor versus non sponsor? To your point, the sponsor deals carry meaningfully higher spreads, lower leverage. But obviously you know, if something does go wrong, it's kind of on you to fix it rather than the sponsor to work through the process. So can you give us an accounting? You know the returns are higher, but what's the track record of the income? Returns are high. The track record of of outcomes between the two different deployment strategies.

Stuart Aronson - Chief Executive Officer - (00:33:34)

Robert in general, the leverage on the non sponsor deals is anywhere from a turn to a turn and a half lower than on the sponsor deals. Our track record historically has been that we see fewer defaults, sorry, fewer payment defaults on the non sponsor deals. During COVID we had a number of sponsor deals that went into payment default and needed equity support, but we did not have any non sponsored deals that went into payment default. During that Covid period. We've had one non sponsored deal that has resulted in a significant loss. That was American Crafts which is now fully resolved. But as I think through the non accruals and maybe Joyce, and I'll ask you to double check me on this but I believe all of the non accrual accounts at this point are actually deals that were sponsored deals and none of them currently are non sponsored deals. Which speaks to the relative strength of what we do in the non sponsored market. And Joyce, and am I right on that? Are any of the non accrual deals non sponsored deals?

Joyce Thomas - (00:34:59)

You were. I think if we're including maybe non income producing restructured assets, Lift Brands might be one that we considered. I forgot.

Stuart Aronson - Chief Executive Officer - (00:35:09)

No, no, no.

Robert Dodd - (00:35:09)

Sponsor or non sponsored deal.

Stuart Aronson - Chief Executive Officer - (00:35:12)

Lyft Brands was a sponsor deal. That, that was a deal that during COVID the private equity firm injected a significant amount of equity into turning around the company.

Joyce Thomas - (00:35:26)

Let me double check on the others and I'll come back on that. But I think, I think that is correct. Then the only other one I could think of is potentially Sclar, again another non income producing or a portion of the equity which is non income producing.

Stuart Aronson - Chief Executive Officer - (00:35:42)

But I believe sclar which is non sponsor is on accrual.

Joyce Thomas - (00:35:48)

Correct?

Stuart Aronson - Chief Executive Officer - (00:35:49)

Yes, so. So Sklar is also a company that we had to take control of. We have dramatically improved the performance of that credit since taking control of it. That is a credit that if it hits its projected numbers for next year based on new customers that have been signed up and additional ebitda, we expect to be earning. That is a credit. Again, it's on accrual right now the debt is paying interest in cash, but we own the equity and there is potential for an equity gain upon the sale of that credit next year if we are able to hit our projected numbers.

Robert Dodd - (00:36:32)

Got it. Thank you for all that detail. Appreciate it. There's just one, one more if I can on the pricing to your point. I mean in the low, even in the lower middle market for sponsored deals, pricing is pretty tight by historic standards. I mean is that just, you know, I say just is it had a consequence of, you know, more competition in terms of large market competitors coming down because there's not enough activity at their end of the market? Or is it, is it just, you know, it's your same long term competitors just getting much more aggressive?

Stuart Aronson - Chief Executive Officer - (00:37:11)

It's a really good question, Robert. The mid market spread compression is a result in many cases of large market players not having enough volume and coming into the mid market and creating additional supply of capital. And so in the mid market we're typically seeing pricing of 450 to 500. And I would say that has definitely been impacted by the larger players coming down market. In the lower mid market we're not really seeing the larger players but there have been a number of new organizations that have been formed that don't have a track record of relationships in the industry and some of those shops are trying to buy market share by discounting price and or doing higher leverage on deals. So the lower mid market where frankly there are hundreds of private equity firms operating is a much more variable market where we are seeing pricing anywhere from 475 up to 575 depending on how much competition there is on any given deal and given on the complexity of the credit. But I do not believe that lower mid market spreads have been significantly impacted by the large shops. And again when I talk lower mid market I'm talking about EBITDA below 30 million. Got it.

Robert Dodd - (00:38:52)

Thank you for the color.

Stuart Aronson - Chief Executive Officer - (00:38:54)

No problem. Robert. Thank you.

OPERATOR - (00:38:58)

And once more for your questions. That is star and one on your telephone keypad. We'll pause a moment to allow any further questions to queue and we will take our next question from Christopher Nolan with Ladenburg Thalman. Your line is open.

Christopher Nolan - (00:39:23)

Hi. Thank you for taking my question. And it really revisits the incentive fee reduction once we're beyond first quarter 26. If the EPS continues to underperform, what's the state of mind or headspace in terms of lowering that incentive fee or continuing it? So the board of directors has provided us a perspective that the forgiveness of the incentive fee or the temporary reduction of the incentive fee is aligned with trying to make sure that we are earning the dividend. And so if there is underperformance in terms of core dividend earnings, I would expect that the board would take a view that they would seek additional forgiveness or additional waiver of that 2.5% for additional quarters. But we, you know, six months is, is a significant amount of time in the market and we all need to see what is going on with M and A volume spreads in the marketplace and core interest rates in terms of what the Fed is doing to have a better sense of what earnings will be out three or four quarters or more from now. Understood. And I guess on the share repurchases, if I were to read your comments earlier, it seems like deal flow seems to be slow. Should we read into that that the company will be aggressive on share repurchases? Chris, we're trading at a very significant discount to Nav even off of the reduced NAV that I showed you today of $11.41. Buying back shares at levels anywhere around today's price is highly accretive for shareholders, both in terms of NII and nav, and given limitations in how many shares we can purchase in any given day or week. We felt a $15 million allocation made a lot of sense to recapture shareholder value if the shares did not materially trade higher. So we as a manager are going to try to act in the interest of the shareholders and repurchase shares, so long as there is a material benefit to the shareholders in doing so. Thank you.

OPERATOR - (00:42:29)

And it does appear there are no further questions at this time. This does conclude today's program. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect at any time and have a wonderful afternoon.

Stuart Aronson - Chief Executive Officer - (00:42:43)

Thank you.

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