Ambac Financial Group reports Q3 loss of $32 million but highlights strong 40% organic growth in insurance distribution segment and successful brand transition.

Ladies and gentlemen, good morning and welcome to the Octave Specialty Group's third quarter 2025 earnings call. This time all participants are in listen only mode. A brief question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please signal the operator by pressing 0 on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Karen Byer, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Karen.

Thank you. Hello, I'm Karen Byer, the new Head of Investor Relations for Octave, and it is my pleasure to welcome you to our third quarter 2025 earnings call. For those of you following along on the webcast, we have posted a new investor presentation on our website, which Claude will be speaking to during his prepared remarks. Our call today includes forward looking statements. The company cautions investors that any forward looking statement involves risks and uncertainties and it is not a guarantee of future performance. Actual results may differ materially from those expressed or implied in the forward looking statements due to a variety of factors. These factors are described under the forward looking statements in our press release and Our most recent 10Q and 10K filed with the SEC. We do not undertake any obligation to update forward looking statements. Also, in our prepared remarks and responses to questions, we may mention some non GAAP financial measures. Reconciliation to those non GAAP measures are included in our recent earnings release, investor presentation and operating supplement and other materials available to investors on our website. Octavegroup.com Speaking today will be Claude LeBlanc, President and CEO of Octave and David Trick, Chief Financial Officer. With that, I will turn over the call to Claude LeBlanc, President and CEO of Octave.

Thank you Karen. We are very pleased to have you participating on the call today and I would like to extend a warm welcome to you as the newest member of our team. For those joining our call today, we are excited to welcome you to the inaugural earnings call for Octave Specialty Group, the new name and brand replacing Ambac Financial Group, which we announced last night. We have a number of significant updates to share with you today. I will start by providing you with key highlights for the quarter, followed by David, who will cover our financial update. Following David's remarks, I will provide an overview of key themes included in the new investor presentation posted to our website last evening. Today begins a new era for our company as a pure play specialty P&C insurance business. This transformation reflects the culmination of years of hard work underscored by significant milestone achievements starting with the successful restructuring and exit from rehabilitation of our financial guarantee business in 2018, ultimately leading to its recent sale. In parallel, we defined a vision and strategy for our new business which we launched just under five years ago. These accomplishments have progressed our company from a runoff business with no access to future distributable earnings to a thriving high growth insurance distribution platform. I am very proud of our accomplishments and I want to thank our employees, board of Directors and others who have supported us throughout this monumental transformation. Turning to our quarterly highlights and progress against our recently announced 120 day plan, I am pleased to report we have made material progress against this plan including one the launch of Octave Specialty Group, our new corporate Brand and Vision 2 we made material progress in executing our capital management plan, completing repurchases totaling 3.1 million shares or 6.5% of weighted average shares outstanding3 we undertook additional material corporate expense reductions this quarter that will result in more than a $10 million decrease in in our run rate adjusted corporate expenses and four in addition to the successful close of the sale of our legacy financial guarantee business to Oaktree for 420 million, we announced and closed the purchase of Armanicare, a leading specialty A&H MGA platform. With respect to our organic growth initiatives. We announced the launch of a new Professional Lines MGA 1889 Specialty Insurance Services, the launch of the Alcor US MGA, and we converted our investment in the recently launched PIVX MGA, led by Mike Miller to a majority stake, bringing our total class of 2025 MGA startups to three. We expect to continue to make material progress on our strategic initiatives during the fourth quarter, positioning our company for strong performance in 2026 and beyond. As we enter 2026, we expect to maintain robust organic growth bolstered by continued momentum across our core businesses including the significant number of startups launched in the 2024 and 2025 period. We also remain focused on reducing corporate expenses to a more cost efficient and sustainable level. With an initial target of approximately 30 million adjusted expenses for 2026, capital management continues to be a top priority guided by our multi pronged strategy that includes investment in startups, organic growth opportunities, share repurchases, selective and disciplined acquisitions, and continued investments in data, AI and core technologies that will advance growth opportunities and lead to reductions in operating expenses. We look forward to providing you with guidance for 2026 during our fourth quarter earnings call. Before I turn it over to David, I would like to share some further thoughts on our new brand Octave Specialty Group. Our new brand is much more than a name change, it is tied to a new vision, strategy and culture that defines our business and our future. We've evolved from a capital business to one that is defined by people and services working in a collaborative and entrepreneurial ecosystem. We believe Octave captures the essence of who we are today, a collection of unique, high performing businesses working in harmony. I should note that our aligned capacity, including our Lloyd Syndicates and Everspan, will retain their brand identity as will the individual MGAs within our portfolio. The new Octave brand encompasses the holding company Octave Specialty Group along with our two insurance distribution divisions formerly known as Serrata and B. I will now turn the call over to David to walk us through our financial results for the quarter. David.

Thank you Claude and good morning everyone. For the third quarter of 2025, Ambac reported a net loss from continuing operations to shareholders of 32 million or $0.67 per diluted share, compared to a loss of 18 million or $0.43 per share in the third quarter of 2024. The higher loss was driven by a $15 million combined increase in intangible amortization and interest in G and A expenses, coupled with the impact of Everspan's prior period $7.5 million gain on the sale of Scenic, all of which more than offset stronger results in the insurance distribution segment. The third quarter of 2024 also benefited by a $4.8 million gain at corporate on an FX hedge related to the July 2024 acquisition of BEAT. The increase in expenses resulted from the acquisition of Beat as well as costs related to the exit from the financial guarantee business and expense reduction initiatives. It is worthy to note that the debt used to finance a portion of the acquisition of BEAT was repaid with the proceeds from the sale of aec. Adjusted EBITDA from continuing operations to stockholders was a loss of 3 million compared to a slight $2 million gain in the third quarter of 2024. The the reduction in adjusted EBITDA resulted from the 4.8 million FX gain in the third quarter of 2024, a $1.5 million reduction in Everspan's adjusted EBITDA and 1.2 million of corporate expenses mostly related to M and A and legacy litigation. These variances more than offset a threefold increase to 6 million in adjusted EBITDA in the insurance distribution segment. With regards to the insurance distribution segment, revenue increased by 80% compared to the third quarter of 2024 to 43 million. This growth was driven mostly by strong organic growth which was 40%, and the inclusion of an additional month of BEAT results on an operating basis that is before the impact of NCI. Insurance Distribution reported 10 million of adjusted EBITDA producing a 23% margin compared to 3 million and 11.1% margin in the third quarter of 2024. Adjusted EBITDA to shareholders was 6 billion for the quarter at a 13.9% margin, up 183% compared to 2.1 million at an 8.8% margin for the third quarter of 2024. The increased margin to shareholders in the third quarter of 2025 versus 2024 is mostly related to the strong organic growth and higher profit commissions and fees included in this quarter's insurance distribution segment Results was just over 1 million of de novo losses, approximately 700,000 of which were attributable to shareholders. As noted previously, our margins can be expected to flex a bit period to period depending on the relative performance of each MGA compared to our ownership level, but will converge over time with margins on an operating basis as we buy in certain NCI Everspan's net written and net earned premiums in the quarter were 18 million and 17 million down from 33 million and 27 million respectively from the prior year period due to the previously disclosed proactive nonrenewal of certain personal and commercial auto programs. While reported losses in the loss declined year over year, the loss ratio increased to 84.5% in the third quarter of 2025 from 74.4% in the third quarter of 2024. Adverse development accounted for just over 23 percentage points of this quarter's loss ratio due mostly to development in runoff commercial auto programs. These losses were partially offset by a sliding scale commission benefit of approximately 7 percentage points recognized as an offset to acquisition costs in force. Programs are running in the mid-60s materially better than the book in runoff and in line with our expectations, the third quarter expense ratio of 28.4% was up from 26.1% in the prior year quarter. This increase was driven by a shift in mix of business and a reduction in earned premiums resulting in approximately three and a half points of increase in the acquisition cost and G and A expense ratios partially offset by a 5-point increase in the sliding scale benefit. As Everspan is experiencing steady growth in earned premiums sequentially, we continue to expect the expense ratio to improve. The resulting combined ratio for the third quarter of 112.9% compared to 100.5% in the prior year period. For the quarter Everspan was break even on an adjusted EBITDA basis which was down from 1.6 million in the 3rd quarter of 2024. Corporate G&A expenses were 26.6 million in the quarter compared to 27.2 million in the 3rd quarter of 2024. On an adjusted basis, G&A expenses were 9.3 million compared to 8.5 million in the 3rd Quarter of 2024. The difference between reported expenses and adjusted expenses in the current quarter is attributable to equity compensation and costs associated with our exit from the legacy business and Expense Reduction Initiatives we outlined in our investor materials certain select expense reduction initiatives which include, for example, the termination of our corporate headquarters leases. These select initiatives are estimated to generate over 17 million of reported expense savings and will have over a $10 million impact on adjusted corporate EBITDA when fully complete. I will now turn the call back to Claude.

Thanks David. I would now like to review key themes and select information set out in our investor presentation posted last night, starting with slide five outlining the key actions we have taken to reposition Octave along with our go forward value creation opportunities. 1. Platform expansion since beginning our journey five years ago, we have expanded from one MGA to 22 including our Armanicare On a pro forma basis, our revenue has grown more than sevenfold since 2021. 2. Accretive M&A Transactions we have a proven track record of attracting high performing MGAs to our platform, most recently demonstrated by the acquisition of beat in 2024 and Armanicare last week. 3. Expense reductions as noted, we have already taken significant steps to reduce our corporate expenses across both compensation and non comp areas and will continue to pursue additional measures to align our cost structure with the scale of our business and 4. Capital allocation we take a disciplined approach to capital allocation, balancing the return of capital and against other strategic uses. We believe the actions we have taken to date position us to deliver sustainable long term shareholder value. Moving to slide 11 consistent with the expansion of our business, we have built a leadership team that I am incredibly proud of. A team with an average of more than 30 years of industry experience, deep expertise across market cycles and broad subject matter knowledge combined with our extensive industry relationships and market visibility, this experience provides significant value to the MGA partners on our platform. Moving to slide 13 we believe Octave is uniquely positioned and differentiated in the MGA sector as a strategic operator, having a true partnership model to align interest with our MGA leaders as a pure plate MGA platform, having a holistic and unified business service platform and aligned capacity through Alloy's syndicates and Everspan moving to slide 14, our platform is uniquely positioned to deliver value through two complementary growth engines, our de novo incubation division Octave Ventures led by John Cavanaugh and Paul Rayner and our M and A division Octave Partners led by Naveen Anand. Both are supported by access to broad aligned and curated third party capacity relationships including our Lloyd Syndicates and Everspan. This dual strategy has created a diversified high performing platform where our MGA partners operate independently but with shared alignment supported by our comprehensive technology led business services platform. Now taking a closer look at our ventures division on slide 60. This division is built on a strong foundation that allows us to consistently attract top performing underwriting teams. We offer them a broad wholesale and retail distribution network, a strong network of aligned and curated third party capacity partners, access to a stable capital base and an experienced leadership team providing strategic oversight and direction and and integrated technology enabled business services infrastructure. To date we have made targeted investments in high performing underwriting teams with proven track records in their respective markets. We generally expect these MGAs to reach profitability within 18 to 24 months. Our UK MGAs typically achieve scale in approximately three years while in the US the timeline is slightly longer but generally offers a much larger addressable market and stronger long term growth potential. The nine new MGAs launched in 2024 and 2025 will be a key driver of EBITDA margin expansion as they scale and achieve profitability over the next three years. Turning to our partner division on slide 17 within our partners division we take a disciplined and selective approach to acquisitions targeting high growth platforms that operate in niche markets with significant barriers to entry. When evaluating M and A opportunities, we focus on businesses that have the following natural entry barriers and strong market positioning, a proven track record of underwriting excellence, owners willing to retain equity to ensure an aligned partnership, a strong cultural fit, a clear and sustainable growth trajectory and identifiable enterprise synergies. Our Partners division has enabled us to achieve substantial product diversification in businesses supported by leading MGA entrepreneurs turning to slide 18. Once launched or acquired, our focus shifts to growth and margin expansion. For our MGA platform we utilize a number of key growth and margin drivers including expanded carrier relationships, producer network growth, digital platform enhancements, producer and coverage expansion, geographic market expansion and cross selling and revenue synergies. This is supported by streamlined shared services supported by tech enabled infrastructure that enables underwriting discipline and accelerated speed to market. Looking ahead to our aspirational $80 million EBITDA goal for 2028, this table represents our initial targeted aspirational goal. We shared with investors earlier this year we wanted to provide you with an update on our progress to date including additional information supportive of our growth. On slide 25 we provide additional information showcasing Octave Ventures strong organic growth 2025 year to date organic revenue growth for Okta ventures stands at 47%. As we previously outlined. Bottom line EBITDA expansion has a development curve that follows top line growth as MGAs reach break even and later critical scale. With the nine MGAs launched completed in 2024 and 2025, Oktave Ventures has significant potential built in EBITDA growth and margin expansion which we expect will push through in the 2026-2028 period as it relates to another key EBITDA growth driver. On slide 26 we provide a schedule of Beat and other MGA call put dates. The most significant EBITDA buy in opportunity will be driven by Beat, where we will have the opportunity to buy in the remaining 40% over the next four years. Finally on slide 27 we provide an outline of key corporate expense reductions as previously addressed by David in summary, we remain confident in our ability to reach our aspirational 2028 goal of 80 million of EBITDA, understanding that the individual contributing components in reaching that goal may vary as we progress through our growth cycle. The next chapter of our journey is now in full flight and I am very excited about the enormous progress we have made in a short amount of time. Thank you for your continued support. I am truly optimistic about the road ahead and the Octave chapter. With that operator, please open the call for questions from analysts.

Thank you. We'll now be conducting a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question at this time, you may press Star one from your telephone keypad and a confirmation tone indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press Star two. If you'd like to withdraw your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the Star keys. One moment please. So we poll for questions. Thank you. Thank you. Our first question is from the line of Mark Hughes with Truist Securities. Please receive your questions.

Yeah, thank you. Good morning. The organic growth of 40% in the distribution business. Quite strong. Could you talk about I think you had said in Q1 and Q2 the if you had incorporated Beat, the growth would have been in the teens, I think low teens, upper teens obviously nice acceleration in the third quarter. I wonder if you could talk about what contributed to that and were there any state contingents or performance based Commissions that might be non recurring that contributed to that 40%.

Hi Mark. David, thanks for the, thanks for the question. No, I think it it was really driven by just momentum in the business. There's no profit commissions or contingent commissions that are included in the revenue numbers for the calculation of organic growth. No impact from effects either. So it is a purely same store sales type calculation. And what we've seen is just, you know, continued momentum in the business as a number of the MGA that we have started to, particularly ones that have started up in 23 and 24 have started to really build momentum in terms of their, of their business. So just a solid quarter with growth moving in line with our expectations for a number of the businesses as we had set those expectations when we launched them.

Very good. And then the third party capacity, I think you've highlighted the 1.5 billion in capacity for 2025. How is that shaping up? If you've got 40% organic that presumably suggests you're going to need some more capacity to back the distribution business. How should we think about that going into 2026?

Yeah, at this time Mark, we currently believe we have sufficient capacity for the business. The 1.5 does not include the new business of Armanicare, which is coming along October 1st just to point that out. It also does not include Everspan. So we believe we have sufficient capacity with interest from capital providers that well exceeded what we think our needs are for next year. So in the event that additional capacity were needed, we are very confident we would be able to get that capacity.

Very good. And then when you think about capital allocation, I think you've made the point that of your expected M and A on the distribution side, you've achieved 80% of your target with Armadicare. When we think about the uses of capital, the non controlling interest would be one. But what would be the priority? The pay down debt, buy back stock, additional M and A, perhaps above and beyond that target. How do we think about uses of capital.

Mark? I think, you know, we're obviously very focused on balancing these various interests for capital but I would put them in strategic launches as being a continued focus of ours as we are a very growth focused business. We will look at deployment of some capital potentially in M and A. Although I don't believe there'll be any large M&As in the near future given our focus on organic growth. We will certainly continue to look at share buybacks. It's also a very important component, especially given where our current stock price or recent stock price has been, and we're also going to continue investing in select M and A data and technology platforms as we continue to build out our infrastructure and support for our various businesses.

Yeah, I did have one real specific question. The timeline of acquisitions of non controlling interest. The beat the 10% per year. Understand that the MGA one is the one of the other, the single MGA that's you're looking at a 2026 buy in of that non controlling interest. How much capital roughly at this point is is involved in that MGA one 20% piece. Sorry, I know that's a little detailed but just sort of curious the magnitude of what your capital spending would be on that and then the associated EBITDA if you have some thoughts there.

Sure, Mark. So that is not a significant amount of capital today would be less than double digit capital commitment and it would not. It is not something that, you know, we've determined whether or not we would call and the management team haven't decided whether they would put and we would have a conversation with the management team talk about what's the best path forward for the business and for them. So it would be done in a collaborative way but not a significant financial commitment.

Okay, that's helpful. Thank you. I had a couple more questions. I'll get back in the queue. Thank you.

Thank you. As a reminder to ask a question at this time, you may press Star one from your telephone keypad. Our next question is follow up from the line of Marc Hughes and Truist Securities. Please proceed to your question.

Yeah, thank you. In Eberspan, what should we think about the premium outlook there? You've had some adjustments that have been focusing on your more profitable programs. Is there kind of a run rate to think about going into 2026?

Yeah, Mark. I mean if you look at the last couple quarters, you know, in 2025. Right. We've seen this relatively controlled, modest, you know, growth on a sequential basis. So that, you know, is what I would expect to continue through the end of the year and to 2026. You know, sometimes, you know, due to some seasonality, depending on programs that come online and a number of other factors that are, you know, somewhat unique to the program business. You can get little jumps and ebbs and flows if you will. But generally speaking we're looking to, you know, know, grow that top line at a relatively controlled pace. So I think the prior guidance that we've given is around 400 million for this year. I'd say we'd probably be in the, you know, kind of 370, 380 or so this year based on, you know, the current pace. Unless there's you know, a little bit of a year end burst from, you know, to some of the underlying MGA's. And then next year while we haven't pull out full year guidance, we you know, continue to expect some of that modest growth. So you know, somewhere north of you know, 400 million but you know, not looking to push the top line.

Yeah. And then interest expense post the recent CRM event. What's the run rate on interest expense or.

Probably about 7 million. But the full year interest expense next year probably run around what the average quarterly was for this year. So it's a significant drop in interest expense.

Yeah, yeah. And then just to make sure I've got it straight, I think you, you talk about EBITDA margins kind of the or EBITDA ratios 5 to 7% relative to written premium. When you think about revenue to written premium. I wonder if you could, if you have any specific numbers there that you might share when thinking about that outlook.

Yeah, that's a little more challenging because it does really depend on the underlying business. And what I mean by that is there are a number of businesses that you, I would say, you know, average, let's say 20, 20% of premium production would be your revenue number. But there's also businesses that we report because of the nature of the contract. Our commission income is reported on a net basis. So what you wind up having is some kind of adjustments to that ratio based on both seasonality and relative growth. So as the business that reports on a net grows, then that ratio of revenue to premiums place will would come down. But at the end of the day the bottom line result wouldn't shift dramatically. And that's why we're, you know, focused more on the bottom line results relative to that premium as opposed to the, the nuances of the, you know, the you know, revenue recognition at the top line.

Understood. Am I right in thinking that's largely.

UK versus the US yes, that that's primarily the difference?

That's correct, yeah. Okay. Very good. Thank you. Appreciate it.

Thanks Mark.

Thank you. At this time, this will conclude today's question and answer session and we'll also conclude today's conference. We thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day. It.