ArcBest reports solid Q3 results amid freight market softness; CEO transition positions company for future growth and profitability.

Good morning and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the ArcBest third quarter 2025 earnings conference call. During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen only mode. Afterwards, we will conduct a question and answer session. As a reminder, this call is being recorded. I will now turn it over to Ms. Amy Mendenhall, Vice President, Treasury and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Good morning. I'm pleased to be here today with Judy McReynolds, our chairman and CEO, Seth Runzer, our CEO-elect and president and Matt Beasley, our Chief Financial Officer. Other members of our Executive Leadership team will also be available during the Q and A session. Before we begin, please note that some of the comments we make today will be forward looking statements. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties which are detailed in the Forward Looking Statement section of our earnings release and SEC filings to provide meaningful comparisons. We'll also discuss certain non GAAP financial measures that are outlined and described in the tables of our earnings release. Reconciliations of GAAP to non GAAP measures are provided in the Additional Information section of the presentation slides. You can access the conference call slide deck on our website@arcb.com in our 8K filed earlier this morning or follow along on the webcast. And now I will turn the call over to Judy. Thank you Amy and Good morning everyone. ArcBest is well positioned to navigate any environment guided by a long term strategy built on three pillars, growth, efficiency and innovation. At the heart of our approach is a deep understanding of our customers. Delivering for them drives our success and enables us to achieve our financial objectives. Years ago we recognized that supply chains were becoming more complex and we took proactive steps to prepare ArcBest for that future. Today we deliver flexible, efficient and fully integrated solutions designed to meet our customers evolving needs. By listening closely and solving real world challenges, Our teams position ArcBest as a trusted strategic partner, helping customers succeed not just today, but for the long term. In late September, we hosted our Investor Day in New York City and we appreciate everyone who joined us both in person and virtually. During the event, we shared ArcBest strategic vision, showcased key initiatives and introduced long term financial targets that underscore our disciplined, growth focused approach. As we execute on our strategy, we are supported by a strong and experienced Board of Directors whose expertise spans transportation and logistics, finance and capital markets and digital transformation. In that spirit, we are pleased to welcome Chris Sotlmeier to the ArcBest board. Chris brings more than 30 years of leadership in logistics, transportation and supply chain operations. His deep industry knowledge will be a tremendous asset as we advance our long term goals. I also want to take a moment to recognize Dr. Craig Phillips, who will retire from the Board in January after many years of dedicated service. Craig's insights and guidance have been instrumental to ArcBest success and we are deeply grateful for his significant contributions. Today's call is especially meaningful for me because it is my final earnings call as CEO. It has been an incredible honor to lead this organization. Over the last 15 years, I've had the privilege of working alongside some of the most talented and dedicated professionals in the industry. Together we've embraced change driven innovation and built a company that is truly unique and differentiated. I am deeply proud of what we've accomplished and equally excited about what lies ahead. Seth Runzer's transition to CEO has been carefully planned and the Board and I have complete confidence in Seth's ability to lead ArcBest into its next chapter. I've worked closely with Seth for many years. He knows ArcBest inside and out, has a clear strategic vision, and demonstrates a genuine commitment to our people and customers. I know he will lead ArcBest with integrity, purpose and passion. I will always cherish my time as CEO and I have no doubt that the best is yet to come. ArcBest is built to deliver and I look forward to watching this company continue to grow and thrive both as Chairman of the Board and as a committed long term shareholder. With that, I'll turn the call over to ArcBest CEO elect and President Seth Runzer.

Thank you Judy and good morning everyone. Before we dive into the details of our third quarter performance, I want to take a moment to focus on the bigger picture. At ArcBest, our strategy is built around creating meaningful value for our customers. Every day we help them navigate complexity, overcome disruption and achieve stronger supply chain outcomes. That's what sets ArcBest apart. Looking ahead, this commitment will continue to guide us, helping us to anticipate challenges, seize opportunities and lead the industry with innovative customer driven solutions. By delivering for our customers, we position ourselves to achieve profitable growth, generate strong free cash flow and create long term sustainable value for our shareholders. Now let's review the progress we've made on our profitable growth initiatives. In the third quarter, we averaged 21,000 asset based LTL shipments per day, a 4% increase year over year. This growth and market share gain reflect the strength of our refined go to market strategy and our intentional focus on expanding our core LTL business. As we onboarded new business, we faced some service challenges that caused us to fall short of our expectations higher than expected volumes in certain markets, greater intra month volume changes, conservative hiring earlier in the year due to macro uncertainty and peak summer vacation season all contributed in some locations, increased reliance on cartage also impacted cost and service. These factors affected on time, pickups and deliveries, which was reflected in our latest Masteo survey results. However, we acted quickly. Hiring efforts have advanced in key markets, cartage usage has significantly declined and service levels have returned to normal. Customer feedback is already reflecting these service improvements. As we grow, we remain committed to delivering the premium service our customers expect. Pricing discipline remains a cornerstone of our profitable growth strategy. In our asset based business, we continuously evaluate account and lane level performance to ensure we're appropriately compensated for the value we deliver. Our decisions are informed by shipment profile data, lane pairings, shipment density and pickup and delivery requirements. When freight moves through our network, we monitor performance closely and if margins don't meet expectations, we partner with customers to identify solutions that balance service quality with sustainable returns. This is an ongoing process and we are pleased to have achieved a 4.5% average increase on deferred contract pricing renewals during the third quarter. Turning to managed solutions, shipments per day grew by double digits year over year in the third quarter, setting another quarterly record for both revenue and volumes. This performance underscores our ability to help customers adapt to a dynamic freight environment and find cost efficiencies in their supply chains. Even amid the ongoing freight recession. Growth and managed helped us achieve an all time high for asset light shipments per day. Truckload also showed meaningful progress without relying on macro tailwinds. Our pricing discipline during bid season drove a nearly 9% increase in revenue per shipment with corresponding improvements in gross margins. We're advancing on our strategic initiative to optimize the truckload business mix, focusing on higher margin SMB customers. We've reorganized sales teams, streamlined processes and leveraged technology to enhance efficiency. As a result, employee productivity and truckload is at its highest level ever. We've also made meaningful progress on efficiency and innovation, key pillars of our long term strategy. Our continuous improvement team continues to conduct service center visits, coach employees on process and safety compliance, deploy new technologies and ensure confident adoption of new tools. These efforts have delivered $20 million in year to date savings. Our strategy and optimization team led by Christopher Atkins is focused on delivering measurable value by combining targeted process improvements with advanced technology. These efforts ensure that AI is applied in ways that enhance productivity, streamline operations and reduce cost to serve across the enterprise. One example is our Truckload carrier portal which includes lane matching and auto offer negotiation. This tool frees up bandwidth for our teams, improves margin and helps reduce fraud. Adoption has grown to 28% and 52% of truckload shipments are now digitally augmented. These initiatives are improving productivity and helping us mitigate inflationary cost pressures. Looking ahead, we remain focused on disciplined execution and continuing ArcBest's legacy of innovation and service. We are confident that our approach will drive growth and profitability despite near term headwinds. As many of you know, we set ambitious but achievable targets for 2028 at our investor day. These include improving the non GAAP operating ratio in our asset based business to 87 to 90%, delivering asset light non GAAP operating income of 40 to $70 million, generating total operating cash flow of 400 to 500 million and achieving non GAAP EPS in the range of 12 to $15. We remain well positioned to deliver on these targets. Before I turn the call over to Matt,. Matt, I want to thank Judy for her vision, her leadership and the way she has transformed ArcBest. She is an incredible leader and I am so grateful for her trust and support. I'm glad she stayed on as Chairman and look forward to what the future holds. On behalf of the Entire team at ArcBest, we wish Judy and her husband Lance the best in this next chapter. With that, I'll turn it over to Matt to walk through the financials.

Thank you Seth and good morning everyone. Despite continued softness in the freight environment, ArcBest delivered solid third quarter results that reflect disciplined execution and a continued focus on creating long term value for our shareholders. Taking a closer look at our third quarter performance, consolidated revenue was $1 billion down slightly year over year. Non GAAP operating income from continuing operations came in at $50 million compared to $55 million last year. Our asset based segment saw a $10 million decrease in non GAAP operating income while the asset light segment delivered $1.6 million of non GAAP operating income, an improvement of nearly $6 million over last year. Adjusted earnings per share were $1.46 down from $1.64 in the third quarter of 2024. Turning to our asset based business, third quarter revenue was $726 million representing a 2% increase on a per day basis. ABF's non GAAP operating ratio was 92.5%, an increase of 150 basis points over the third quarter of 2024 and an improvement of 30 basis points sequentially in the third quarter. Daily shipments grew by 4% while weight per shipment decreased by 2% resulting in a 2% increase in tons per day compared to last year. This growth was driven in part by onboarding new core LTL business through the commercial initiatives Seth mentioned. However, softness in industrial production and housing continues to pressure weight per shipment, reducing revenue per shipment without corresponding cost decreases. To support shipment growth, we added labor conservatively and supplemented network capacity with purchased transportation and local cartage during peak vacation season. Annual increases in contracted union labor rates combined with higher purchase transportation spending and equipment depreciation drove operating expenses higher. Despite these headwinds, cost per shipment improved by 1% year over year, reflecting ongoing productivity gains. Additionally, cartage and purchased transportation costs returned to normal levels in September after elevated activity in July and August. We remain disciplined in our pricing strategy, securing Deferred increases averaging 4.5%, a strong outcome in a market where many shippers are focused on cost savings. This underscores the strength of our customer relationships and the differentiated value we provide. Revenue per hundredweight declined 1% year over year, both including and excluding fuel surcharges impacted in part by fewer shipments in the manufacturing vertical. Looking at October Trends, daily shipments grew 1% year over year, while weight per shipment decreased 2% and daily tonnage levels declined 1%. For the fourth quarter, we expect our operating ratio to increase by approximately 400 basis points sequentially reflecting the softness in the broader freight market that we're seeing across the industry. Moving on to the asset light segment, third quarter revenue was $356 million, a daily decrease of 8% year over year. Shipments per day reached a record high, up 2.5% from the prior year driven by double digit growth in our managed solution. Revenue per shipment decreased nearly 11% reflecting the soft freight market and growth in our managed business which has smaller shipment sizes and lower revenue per shipment levels. SG&A cost per shipment decreased over 13%, reaching the best level in asset light history driven by productivity initiatives and a higher mix of managed business with a lower cost to serve. Shipments per person per day also hit an all time high. Non GAAP operating income of $1.6 million was a significant improvement compared to last year's non GAAP operating loss of $4 million driven by volume growth, margin improvement and cost reductions. In October, Asset light daily revenue was down 9% year over year, primarily due to lower revenue per shipment from the soft freight market. Managed continued to show strength though its smaller shipment sizes contributed to lower revenue per shipment. Shipment growth, which was strong through the third quarter, has moderated as we entered the fourth quarter. This slowdown is typical for this time of year as the second and third quarters generally represent peak shipping periods for our customers. For the fourth quarter, we anticipate an operating loss in the range of $1 million to $3 million, reflecting seasonality and current market dynamics. We remain focused on managing costs and positioning the segment for long term profitability. We continue to take a balanced long term approach to capital allocation. For 2025, we've updated our net capital expenditure guidance to approximately $200 million, a decrease from the previous range of $225 million to $275 million. This reduction reflects $25 million in net proceeds from real estate sales completed in the third quarter which generated a pre tax gain of approximately $16 million. These properties were replaced by new locations gained through the yellow option sites that strengthen our network and enhance our operational Footprint. In the first nine months of 2025, we returned over $66 million to shareholders through share repurchases and dividends. In September, our board increased the company's share repurchase authorization to $125 million, a clear sign of confidence in our strategy and long term outlook. We'll remain opportunistic with repurchases based on share price while prioritizing high return organic investments and maintaining prudent leverage. Our balance sheet remains Strong with approximately $400 million in available liquidity and a net debt to EBITDA ratio well below the S&P 500 average. While external conditions remain dynamic, ArcBest is well positioned for the future. We're focused on what we can control, operating with discipline and making smart strategic decisions that strengthen our business and create long term value. Before I turn the call back to Judy, I want to recognize her leadership. Judy has played a pivotal role in shaping ArcBest into the company it is today and her vision and commitment has set a strong foundation for our future. On behalf of the entire team, thank you Judy. It's been an honor to work alongside you. Looking ahead, I'm excited to partner with Seth as we build on that foundation and continue driving our strategy forward. Judy, thank you again. I'll now turn the call back to you.

Thank you Matt. Before we move to Q and A, I want to leave you with this ArcBest greatest strength has always been its ability to adapt and lead through change. That resilience transformed us from a small local freight hauler into the global logistics company we are today and it will continue to drive our success for years to come. As I step away from my role as CEO, I do so with complete confidence in our team and in the strategic path We've set. This company is in great hands and I look forward to watching its next chapter unfold. To our analysts and shareholders, thank you for your trust and partnership. To our employees, thank you for your dedication and resilience. And to our customers, thank you for choosing ArcBest. It has truly been an honor to serve as CEO. With that, let's open the call for your questions.

At this time, I would like to remind everyone, in order to ask a question, please press Star, then the number one on your telephone keypad. Please limit yourself to one question per person. We will pause for just a moment to compile the Q and A roster. Your first question comes from the line of Jason Seidel with TD Cohen. You may go ahead.

Thank you, operator. Judy, just wanted to say congratulations. Just on a great career at ArcBest and wanted to tell you what a pleasure it was working with you and wish you all the best going forward. Want to jump a little bit guys, to sort of the guide in fourth quarter and then maybe what that means to rolling into 2026 because it's obviously a lot weaker than I think I would have expected. Is there anything going on seasonally that you think would be sort of abnormal? Like are you more impacted by the government shutdown than maybe one would think? Or is this something where normal seasonality starts you out, you know, a little bit on the year over year decline side in the 2026? Hey Jason, this is Seth. Thanks for the question. So we did see some softness in October and that's similar to what our peers have been reporting. We always see that step down sequentially from third quarter to fourth quarter, but it's been below our normal expectations as we move through the month. So normally we step down about 3% on shipments. We're seeing closer to about a 5% reduction. And then when you think about the way the calendar falls in November with only 18 business days and the holidays, that just creates some challenges from a top line perspective. So the weakness in October, we really attribute it to multiple factors. You saw PMI was released on Monday and that continued to be below 50. We heard the stories about inventory pull ahead in July and that that might be a factor. The continued weakness in the market just impacting weight per shipment, which we've been discussing throughout this freight recession. And then there's secondary impacts of the government shutdown. The only area where we really do a good amount of government business is on the asset light on the expedite side with Panther. So we're seeing that impact on asset light results in the guide we gave there, but we can't point directly to asset based impact. But the government is the largest employer in the United States so I'd imagine there's some secondary impacts there. So we're taking action to reduce our costs and align resources with the level of revenue that's given and we expect that to continue throughout the fourth quarter. That's something we've done through our entire history as we've navigated these cycles in Cartagen pt. What we did in September to reduce that cost is a great example. So we're focused on pulling all those levers. But we're also focused on the long term and believe in our strategy and initiatives that we outlined at the beginning of the at our investor day last month. We see on the growth side, our core business continues to grow, the pipeline continues to be very strong. We've done a lot on the efficiency front. We're taking more cost actions as we move through the fourth quarter. Really proud of the Asset Light team improving productivity 33%. We saw improvements in asset base as well and we have a robust roadmap of future projects that we're working on which we think is going to provide some efficiency gains in the future. So the way we built this company is to say yes to our customers and we think we're built for any environment. So whether it's a little bit weaker or busier, we want to say yes to customers and that's the way we're built. So we've been doing this a long time, over 100 years and we've navigated this cycle very well and we'll continue to make adjustments as we move through the rest of the year and as we move into 2020.

Your next question comes from the line of Reed State with Stevens Inc. You may go ahead.

Hey everyone, thanks for taking my question and congrats to Judy on the great career and we're sad to see you go kind of following up on Jason's question. Previously you have talked about 350 basis points to 400 basis points being the normal fourth quarter to first quarter or move that would imply if you add the 400 basis points to from third quarter to fourth quarter basically that would imply you have an unprofitable to break even ltl. If you can talk about how you expect that to progress. And then I guess also just talking on the pricing weakness here in October. I know I'm sure some of that is mix related and some of it is a declining weight per shipment, but if you can just talk about some of the dynamics in there as well.

Yeah, Reed. Hey, it's Matt. So you're right, we have talked about the 350 to 400. You know, if you were to look at just a straight 10 year history, it's more like 250 basis points, but there were some strong 4Q to 1Q moves during COVID And so, you know, over the last few years, as we've given the history, we've excluded those, I think, you know, to set point, we certainly are taking a look at costs, you know, at a very detailed level, in addition to just all of the ongoing efficiency and productivity projects that we've had and have been working on. Certainly we're pleased with the results that we've seen as we talked about with the record levels of productivity on the asset light side and just continued improvement on the asset base side as well. And so, you know, we'll, we're continuing to make progress and we're continuing to, you know, to identify costs and to pull those out. And so I think it's a little bit too early to say, you know, just given some of the softness that we've seen over the last few weeks, I wouldn't say that we're necessarily expecting that to persist into the first quarter. You know, we're hopeful as we get some resolution on the government shutdown and as we move into the new year and we see the impact of the recent interest rate moves, you know, we'll get some improvement on the macro. But I would say we're focused on controlling everything that's within our control on the cost side and again, expect continued progress there and more to come on, you know, what the sequential guide will look like as we move from the fourth quarter into the first quarter. You know, on your question on yield, you know, Eddie, I don't know if there's anything that you might want to add from a, from a pricing standpoint in terms of what we're seeing.

Yeah, I mean, I actually think it's improving from where we were earlier in the year. There is a lot of noise with our price metrics, with account mix changes, profile changes, but we were able to post a 4.5% renewal increase, which was an improvement from second quarter and really that increase by month actually improved throughout the quarter. So we're very optimistic we're going to continue that momentum into the fourth quarter and into 2026. So I feel better about where yield is standing right now.

Your next question comes from the line of Jordan Allagar with Goldman Sachs. You may go ahead.

Yeah, Hi. Morning. And Judy, it's been great interacting with you all these years and best of luck going forward. I really appreciate all your time. Thank you. So I guess maybe a big picture question then. Obviously it's still pretty tough out there. In the freight world as denoted by the volumes from you and your peers in October, but pricing seems to be resilient. So I guess my question is, can you perhaps share some thoughts on the capacity setup when we do get to the volume inflection from an industry perspective overall, taking into account the yellow bankruptcy, what are you seeing in terms of terminals going into the next cycle and how it stacks up? And when we do inflect, could the situation lead to, you know, what sort of price?

Price recovery, if you will. Yeah. Hey, Jordan, this is Seth. When we think about just excess capacity, there's obviously a lot of that right now in the LTL space and then truckload, obviously with the way the market's been from an LTL perspective, I think is where your question was coming from. Long term, we just have less capacity than we had five and even 10 years ago. When you look at how the yellow auction kind of played out, there's, there's a good chunk of those facilities that left the industry. So we've been strategic with where we've invested, where we see growth, service or efficiency opportunities and it hasn't added a lot of cost to our actual base. We've seen the productivity improvements as we've opened new facilities or expanded current facilities. So we've talked over the long term. We have a long term network plan and we've expanded by about 800 doors and most of that work is done and pasta. So I think when the market actually inflects and we see things start to get busier, that's going to be positive for pricing because there's just less capacity out there. So what I love about our company is we invest throughout cycles. So whether it's a down cycle or up cycle, we're making strategic investments to position ourselves to say yes to customers, whether it's a bad market or a good market, which I already mentioned. So I feel like we've been really strategic that we'll be able to take advantage when the, when the market gets better and the relationships that we have with our customers. 80% of our revenue comes from customers over 10 years and that allows us to improve our price as we deliver on the value that our customers see.

Yeah. And Jordan, this is Matt Godfrey. I would just add to build on what Seth said. We've been very Strategic throughout our real estate journey with the capacity that we've added over the last few years. The yellow opportunity through their bankruptcy gave us the opportunity to speed up some of the targets that we had. But we take a continuous evaluation approach to our network and so we'll continue that process into the future. But we feel very good about where our capacity is when the market turns in the ability to say yes to our customer base.

Your next question comes from the line of Ravi Shanker with Morgan Stanley. You may go ahead.

Great. Thanks everyone. And Judy, I will also echo congratulations on your retirement here and you'll be missed. Seth, maybe if you get a sense of the volume decline that you've seen the last couple of years and obviously you pointed out to the ISM being weak, etc. But do you guys have a sense of how much of the volume decline may potentially be cyclical versus structural in terms of LTL to TL shift or maybe some of the private guys ramping up and getting share and so how. Much of it is structural versus cyclical? And maybe on that same note, in. Your opening remarks you kind of spoke. About some of the factors that may have hurt you in mass deal this year. Do you feel like that also is more of a cyclical or a transitory drop and you guys will rebound next year?

Thank you. Thanks Ravi. So when I think about what I've done throughout this year, I've spent a lot of time with customers and customers are facing just general uncertainty around tariffs and what happens with interest rates and demand and everything that's going on out there. So we've tried to partner with customers if they need to increase inventory or shift where they're sourcing from and that aligns well with our integrated approach. So this is more cyclical from our standpoint because our retention stats are really in a good spot. We haven't lost customers, they're simply just shipping less and that's what we've been talking about for the past few years. So but when we think about the opportunity that we have, we operate in markets with 400 billion worth of opportunity. So that's just a tremendous way to expand with our custom, with our loyal customer base that we already have. So with the change in strategy and market approach from a sales perspective, we continue to see our core LTO business grow, managed at all time highs and we continue to make progress on our SMB strategy within truckloads. So I believe that it's more cyclically related and just the demand softness throughout the and I believe strongly in what we're doing to execute, to see profitable growth into the future. And then your other question about Masteo, we anticipated that might happen. That's why we disclosed that in our, in our 8k in August about service challenges. We were really successful with onboarding new business and we were conservative in our hiring targets earlier in the year. So we just didn't have the staff in place to service that business the way we expected to. So I'm really proud of the way the team reacted quickly and solve those service challenges. And when we look at our internal metrics, we've improved substantially since, since the summer peak vacation. So and we expect that to continue because we think the better you service customers, the stronger your pricing power and retention is going to be. And that's the type of company we are delivering a premium service for our customers.

Your next question comes from the line of Ken Hoester with Bank of America. You may go ahead.

Hey, great. Good morning, Judy. Again, congrats on your upcoming retirement. So this is the worst or I guess in the fourth quarter forecast here since 1Q20 Covid lows and then going back to the, if it's the fourth quarter, it's worse since going back to I guess to 2017. Matt, you mentioned you continue to make progress, but I'm confused in where the progress is. Right. So you're starting off soft on the volumes noted a corresponding decreasing or inability to decrease the costs. So what moves are you making to then align those costs? Is it the PT that's staying out of whack? Is it something with the, with the extra hiring you've done? Just maybe trying to contrast if you know that the costs are out of whack, what moves can you take to realign that to get the cost back down?

Yeah, Ken, so you know, we have a number of different initiatives that have been ongoing across the asset based organization, including our continuous improvement initiatives and teams that have been going out across the footprint. Starting with our largest facilities. We continue to see a lot of Runway with that and certainly we're continuing to advance our technology initiatives in a number of different ways including around labor planning line haul, you know, our city route optimization project which we talked about the benefits that we're seeing there and you know, you can see that in the numbers. I mean we have, you know, normal typical inflation in the business. Certainly we have seen on the depreciation front as we've replaced our fleet using our total cost of ownership model. Just the increased cost that we're seeing on the equipment side has shown up in our depreciation, we know that we've just got normal increases, you know, on the ABF side under our union contract in, in, you know, again in the third quarter, we also used a little bit more cartage and purchased transportation than normal just as we saw that volume surge. But then if you look on a cost per shipment basis, we were down 1% year over year on cost per shipment. So not only being able to mitigate the inflection effects of inflation on a year over year basis, but also being able to decrease the cost on a per shipment basis. So I would say in general we're focused on what we can control and we expect to make continued progress on that as we move through 2026. You know, we certainly are seeing the same macro environment that everybody in our industry is seeing is talking about on their calls. You're seeing show up in industry surveys. And so certainly that is affecting the guide that we're seeing for the fourth quarter. But you know, we still, you're seeing the impacts of our commercial initiatives in our results. I mean, you still saw volume growth in October. You know, we're still expecting to see overall volume growth on a shipment per day basis for the fourth quarter. We're taking a lot of action on the yield side that I would say is not yet fully accrued to results, but we're going to expect to see the results of as we move into the first quarter of next year. So, you know, again, certainly, like we talked about, a little bit softer macro backdrop than we were expecting or maybe had seen historically with some of the factors that Seth talked about, including what are likely some secondary impacts from the government shutdown, maybe some pull ahead and just continued weakness in the manufacturing economy. But you know, we still feel good about the targets that we gave at investor day and we're continuing to make progress on those and we expect that we'll continue to see results.

Your next question comes from the line of Bruce Chan with Stifel. You may go ahead.

Hey, good morning everybody. Judy, you know, certainly been a pleasure. Working with you over the years and. We'Re going to miss you, but wish. You all the best here. There's a glancing reference to the supply dynamics and truckload earlier in the call. So maybe I'll take that one. I know that we've talked about overflow. Truckload freight in your model in the past maybe, and you can just remind us of what percentage of your business overlaps with that market. And then maybe more broadly, you know, what are your views on that returning and you know, are you seeing any signs, you know, even if early or having any conversations about that coming back?

Hey Bruce, this is Matt. So you're right, I mean we talked about this a little bit in Investor Day just in terms of the potential that we see for. Back to some of the discussion about cyclicality. As we think about where we've been in manufacturing, housing and truckload rates, you know, if we see those returning to more normal historical levels, that's where we could see the upside of up to 280 basis points from macro improvement as we move from 2024 through 2028. As we think about the truckload overlap into our LTL business, we have seen correlation between the higher length of haul. So think about maybe a thousand plus miles in heavier shipments, so maybe 5,000 plus pounds. And you know, it's not a significant piece of our overall asset based LTL book of business. It's probably low single digits. But still we have seen some of those volumes move away. Of course those are very strong when you think about how those price out on a revenue per shipment basis, which is why there is some movement back. There has been some movement to the truckload market just where those truckload prices are. And so I would say as we think about where truckload pricing will be going here over the next year or two, as we think about capacity dynamics and then just an improving macro, we would expect for those shipments to make their way back into the LTL network.

Your next question comes from the line of Tom Wadowitz with ubs. You may go ahead.

Hi, good morning, this is Mike Troiano on for Tom and Judy Team. UBS here wishes you all the best in retirement. So at Investor Day, you mentioned an assumption in the long term targets of revenue per shipment outpacing cost per shipment by 80 basis points a year on average. As we look into 26. Do you think you need help from the macro to drive better freight mix and revenue per shipment or is there enough that you can do from a cost perspective and just stabilizing the mix that can help you achieve a positive spread in that revenue minus cost per shipment metric? Hey Mike, this is Seth. So when I think about 2026, obviously no one has a crystal ball about, you know, what's going to happen right now. There's been a lot of changes in these last few years, but we do have confidence in our longer term view and the targets that we outlined in Investor Day. So when you think about from a demand standpoint, we don't see a lot improving on the demand side right now. But lower interest rates could spur, you know, increased home building, manufacturing, auto, all those different things. We saw the tax bill get passed that could drive renewed freight demand clarity over tariffs and the government shutdown as those issues get resolved, do we think that could be a positive impact for us? So the supply side is something we're looking at, but we haven't seen the impacts from the ELP mandate or the non CDL enforcement yet. But we're hearing anecdotal stories that could be positive. So if you just look at the cost operated truck and where the truckload market pricing is right now, we could continue to see exits on that on that regard. So but what I will say is despite all the environment and macro noise like Matt mentioned earlier, we're focused on things in our control and that's being customer led and we're going to focus on managing our costs in the short term as well as being positioned for the long term and we're taking those actions now and Cartagen PT is a great example of that. But we have other areas of opportunity that we're looking at. We continue to invest in service improvements across the board. I look Forward to launching ArcBestView next year and having a better service for our customers. And we have a robust pipeline that I already mentioned before. So we feel confident that we can achieve that revenue per shipment, outpacing cost per shipment by the 80 basis points as we move through next year and throughout our entire target window through 2028. So although we continue to navigate just the challenging macro environment, I'm very confident on our team's ability to generate shareholder value over the long.

Your next question comes from the line of Brian Austenbet with JP Morgan. You may go ahead. Hey good morning. Thanks for taking the questions. And Judy, congrats again on your upcoming retirement. Just two follow ups here. First one just on the September to October trend it looks like wait for shipment stabilizing but pricing for 100 weights not actually increasing. So I'm just trying to. I understand you can clarify that a little bit in terms of the comments I think Matt made about maybe being able to catch up for some of the costume cured, ramping up this new volume with price or maybe it's on different shipments so a little bit more. Color there will be helpful. And then also if you can give us a little more clarity in terms of the productivity per shipment or per person per day rather in asset light setting a new record, is that driven by some of the mix shift or how should we think about how you guys are reaching that. Thank you.

Hey Brian, this is Eddie. You know, in terms of like the price change from, you know, September to October, you know, we, we do, we do still see a lot of volatility when it comes to our account mix. You know, the macro economic environment is still, you know, pretty, is a pretty big headwind for us. So we're not getting a lot of help there on weight per shipment. And so, you know, we did see some business come into our network that had a different profile and it's typically been operationally efficient for us, which helps, but it does put some pressure on our, you know, your typical revenue for underweight yield metrics. But we are very encouraged with the progress we're making with our renewal increases. Mentioned that earlier on the call, but you know that that's momentum going in, you know, from the second quarter to third quarter. And we're seeing really good signs going into the fourth quarter as well with those renewal increases. So, you know, a lot of noise in those typical yield metrics. But I do feel like we're making progress and Matt mentioned some yield initiatives that we've been taking and that's having an impact on some of our account mix as well. So progress and there's more to do and I think you're going to see that in fourth quarter and into 2026.

Yeah, Brian, I'll take the Asset Light productivity question. So we have a lot of initiatives that we're working on at Asset Light and you saw that 33% productivity improvement that we mentioned. But I still feel like we have a lot of Runway to go that will help our people to focus on our customers versus doing manual tasks. So we also measure service from an internal standpoint on the Asset Light side and we continue to see best in class results on the service side. But what gives me a lot of confidence in the future, some of the projects that we've been working on with Christopher's team and the Truckload team and managed around inbound call automation. We're automating, scheduling and booking loads and that allows the team to focus on more complex work. We started to implement Truckload quote Augmentation, which uses AI to load, build quote and email responses to customers much quicker than a human can do and focus on those more challenging things, the shipper initiatives. On the carrier side, we're doing a lot with third party load board integrations, routing guide automation, automated offer approvals, and then the carrier portal, which I mentioned in my opening comments. We continue to have features like Lane matching, auto offer negotiations which really helps reduce that fraud side of things in the market. So we're going to continue to invest in this area. Managed saw another record quarter from a growth productivity standpoint. We, we see a lot of Runway there with a billion dollar pipeline like we mentioned at, at Investor Day. So I think all of this work ultimately comes down to allow us to position ourselves for growth without having to add the cost when the market doesn't flex because of these productivity gains.

Yeah, Brian, it's Matt. I'll just maybe add on one more comment. So like Seth said, we're very proud of where we've come on the productivity side in the asset light business and the 33% improvement that we saw on a year over year basis and where we see that going and certainly so that has been a key driver of the performance and it's been across our solutions. So truckload on its own reached its highest level of productivity when we look at shipments per employee per day in the third quarter. And then there are some other impacts just because in our managed solution we do have higher productivity levels just on a, on a shipment per employee per day basis. And as we continue to grow, manage, we do see some impacts as well from there. But a lot of it is all of the initiatives that Seth has talked about that we've been working on and we're going to continue to focus on.

Your next question comes from the line of Stephanie Moore with Jeffrey. You may go ahead. Hi, good morning.

Thank you very much. I wanted to ask maybe a higher level question. You know, I know that you have pretty good insight into the housing market with your, with your U PAC business. So wanted to hear if you had any insight from what your customers are saying as it relates to this overall housing demand and any expectation this could turn the corner in 2026. Thanks.

Hey Stephanie. Yeah. We're seeing the continued weakness on the housing front like it's been reported publicly. We hope with interest rate reductions that we're seeing with the Fed right now take action that that's going to spur some demand. We do think there's pent up demand in the housing market. It's just been too expensive from an affordability standpoint. So I think as those interest rates lower that's really going to help improve our UPAC profit. Obviously when we look at UPAC in general, we are at a very low point because of just the housing market where it's been over the last three or four years. So that really does drag on the weight per shipment metrics. And some of those profitability metrics. So we think when the market flips, it's going to have kind of an outsized impact for us when the housing market flips. And also housing drives so much of truckload capacity, which then spills into ltl, obviously. So we think when the housing market strengthens, that's going to be impactful to us. But we don't see it in the near term. We think as the Fed continues to take actions, hopefully into 2026, we see that demand continue to improve.

Your next question comes from the line of Ari Rosa with Citigroup. You may go ahead.

Hi, Good morning, Judy. Let me echo others in congratulating you on your retirement. Definitely a nice career and it's always been a pleasure with you. You mentioned in your opening comments market share gains in the LTL space. I'm just curious what you think is driving those market share gains given, I guess it's hard to reconcile with some of the commentary around some of the service challenges. So. But then also, right, you've talked about pricing discipline and other things. So like what is the process of gaining market share gains? Is that kind of maybe taking on some mix that's less attractive? And if you could just kind of talk about that strategy and how you think about those things because again, I'm trying to reconcile it with some of the margin pressure that you're talking about here, given it seems like volumes are. Actually looking okay relative to others.

Yeah, Ari, this is Eddie. Yeah, I mean, we've, we've been very proud of our commercial team and what they've been able to achieve this year. You know, we had consolidated our customer facing groups and our business acquisition teams together under this commercial team. And that alignment has really led to a lot of great results when it comes to getting in front of our customers more developing opportunities. And then one of the best things about ArcBest is, you know, we're differentiated in the marketplace. We offer suite of solutions that are different than most of our competitors. We're an integrated logistics company with assets and that has resonated throughout the year with our customers and our sellers are taking advantage of that. You know, from a, from a standpoint of, you know, how the type of business that's coming in, it's been good for us, it's been profitable. You know, the profile that business has been different than what our existing business was or is. But that's just because we've, you know, we've acquired that business at still a premium to the market price. If you look at our peers in that space. They have, you know, you know, a lower revenue per hundredweight than what our average is. You know, we are the market leader. When it comes to revenue per hundredweight and yield. And so, you know, I think it's, it's not bad business for us, but it is different and it has led to some efficiency gains in our, in our network from an asset based standpoint. And, you know, but there's always an opportunity to utilize this growth to improve our mix, improve our yield in our company. And that's really what we've been focused on the second half of the year.

Your final question comes from the line of Chris Weatherby with Wells Fargo. You may go ahead.

Hey, good morning, it's Rob on for Chris and Judy. We'd like to echo our best wishes as you move on to the next chapter. With regard to pricing, we saw a slight acceleration in the contract renewals in 3Q and a bigger tailwind from fuel, but revenue per bill declined sequentially in the quarter. Can you talk about the biggest drivers of the underperformance versus your contract renewals and when you expect revenue per bill to better approximate renewals or gris as we're looking out?

Yeah, hey, Rob, this is Eddie again. Yeah, I mean, the biggest driver of that revenue per shipment is the drop in weight per shipment and that, that's been a headwind for us all year. A lot of the new core business, ltl core business we brought on has been heavier weight, but that softness in a manufacturing sector, industrial production and housing has been a pretty put some pressure on our weight per shipment metrics and ultimately our revenue per shipment standpoint. So that's pretty much the story on that. You know, again, that profile has been operationally efficient for us, so it's led to some efficiency gains there. That's been good for us. And you know, we're just going to constantly look at our book of business. We make good. We have a strong history of pricing discipline that allows us to really manage this business well. We make account by account decisions and if we run across any business that we don't think is good for us or not contributing, we're taking immediate action on it to improve it.

Your final question comes from Scott Groot with Wolff Research. You may go ahead. Hey, thanks. Sorry I forgot to hit Star One. I was so focused on a tribute for Judy. Best of luck to you, Judy. So a couple of things. The maybe can you just talk about the tonnage assumption that you've got, you know, within the, for the or guide for Q4. Do you assume it gets any sort of better or worse? And then just on the, on the LTL pricing environment and if I look back at the, you know, the last couple of quarters when the yields have been down a little bit, you've, you've disclosed, hey, we've got growth in lower cost but lower yielding shipments. And you sort of took that text out and now it's just, hey, you know, yields are, you know, flat. Is this the size? I know the pricing renewals are getting better, but is this like taking that language out? Is this indicating that it, that it is a tougher pricing environment and it's not about mix and it's more just sort of underlying price? Yes.

Scott, this is Matt. I'll talk a little bit just on the sequential view that we have as we move from the third quarter to the fourth quarter and kind of what, what we're seeing for tonnage overall, you know, I would say as we're moving forward, you know, we expect to see just a slight increase both on a, a year over year basis and slight increase, maybe low single digits on a year over year basis as we look at the fourth quarter overall from a volume perspective. And so certainly moderating versus what year over year volume that we were seeing in the second and third quarter just as we've seen a little bit softer macro environment. And so I think as we think about big picture on tonnage, you know, we would expect tonnage to moderate as well, not expecting any significant changes in weight per shipment, but certainly the overall macro softness could continue to impact weight per shipment as we move through the fourth quarter. You know, on the pricing side, we continue to feel good about all of the actions that we're taking there. You're right. We have seen early in the year just some of the new business that we took on was operationally more efficient. And you know, we're still continuing to see that dynamic. If you look at just the profile of that business, how over dimensioned that business is versus our overall book of business, it just is not as over dimensioned, doesn't have as many operational requirements, does generally have a lower cost to serve. And so I wouldn't say that there's anything in general that has changed in that overall dynamic. Yeah.

Only thing I would add is, you know, I really do believe the, the pricing discipline still. Right. You know, I think the market's rational when it comes to pricing. I mean, we, we have seen probably in the last couple of quarters just, you know, a higher frequency of customer bids which does kind of create an opportunity for, you know, a competitive environment, especially for, you know, any carriers who don't have that business. But, you know, in those situations that we, that where we've been an incumbent, you know, we just leaned into our value and our relationship and that's typically allowed us to get a fair increase while retaining the business. Or worst case, we've used it as an opportunity to price out some unprofitable business to achieve better yield results. So I don't think it's gotten anything worse in terms of the market. And I do feel like there is a lot of noise with our yield metrics just because of account mix and this macroeconomic impact on existing customers that, you know, they're just shipping less and that that existing customer base is, has historically been priced really well for us. And so, you know, there's some headwinds there when that business is down.

That is all the questions we have. I would like to turn it back over to Amy Mendenhall for closing remarks.

Thank you to everyone for joining us today. We certainly appreciate your interest in our best.

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