Shoulder Innovations reports 58% revenue growth in Q3 2025, raising full-year guidance to $45-$46 million amid strong surgeon adoption.

Please stand by. Welcome ladies and gentlemen to the third quarter 2025 earnings conference call for Shoulder Innovations. At this time, all participants have been placed in a listen only mode. At the end of the Company's prepared remarks, we will conduct a question and answer session. Please note that this conference is being recorded and will be available on the Company's website for replay shortly. I would like to turn the call over to Sam Bensinger, Vice President of Investor Relations at Guild Martin Group, for a few introductory comments. Please go ahead.

Good afternoon and thank you for participating in today's call. Joining me from Shoulder Innovations are Rob Ball, Chief Executive Officer and Jeff Points, Chief Financial Officer. Earlier today, Shoulder Innovations issued a press release announcing financial results for the quarter ended September 30, 2025. A copy of the press release is available on the Investor Relations section of the Company's website. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that this conference call is being recorded and that management will make remarks during this call that constitute forward looking statements within the meaning of Federal securities laws and that these are being made pursuant to the safe harbor provisions for the Private Securities Litigation Reform act of 1995. Any statements contained in this call that relate to expectations or predictions of future events, results or performance are forward looking statements. These statements involve material risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results or events to materially differ from those anticipated or implied by these forward looking statements. Accordingly, you should not place undue reliance on these statements for a listened description of the risks and uncertainties associated with our business. Please refer to the Risk Factors section of our most recent Quarterly report on Form 10Q and in our other filings with the securities and Exchange Commission. Additionally, during this conference call, the Company will discuss certain financial measures that have been prepared in accordance with GAAP. This non GAAP information should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for or superior to results prepared in accordance with GAAP. Please refer to the tables in our earnings release for a reconciliation of these measures to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure. This conference call contains time sensitive information and is accurate only as of the live broadcast today, Nov. 11, 2025. Shoulder Innovations disclaims any intention or obligation, except as required by law, to update or revise any financial projections or forward looking statements, whether because of new information, future events or otherwise. With that, I will now turn the.

Call over to Rob. Thank you Sam Good afternoon everyone and thank you all for joining us for our first earnings call as a public company. We're very excited to share the results the details of our exceptional third quarter performance today and review our progress against key priorities driving continued commercial momentum. The top line revenue in the third quarter was 11.8 million, an increase of 58% year over year and over 7% sequentially. We're very pleased with this performance which was driven by continued market adoption of our implant systems across a growing base of surgeon customers. Q3 gross margin of 76.2% was also strong and reflects our commitment to enhancing profitability. We continue to take intentional actions to drive further improvement in gross margin and believe there is additional opportunity for expansion going forward. From a balance sheet perspective, we significantly strengthened our cash position ending the third quarter with over $137 million in cash and marketable securities following our convertible notes financing and initial public offering in July which raised a combined $115 million in gross proceeds. Our performance in accelerating business momentum exiting the third quarter leaving us incrementally confident in our ability to sustain our commercial progress to 26 and beyond. As a result, we are raising our revenue guidance for the full year to a range of 45 to 46 million, representing growth of 42% to 45% year over year. For the remainder of this call, I will provide a brief introduction to Shoulder Innovations for those who may be newer to our story and review our third quarter performance and key growth priorities in greater detail. Jeff will then walk through our full third quarter financial results and discuss our outlook for the remainder of 2025. At the highest level, Shoulder Innovations is exclusively focused on transforming the shoulder surgical care market with an initial focus on shoulder replacement or arthroplasty. We find ourselves in the enviable position of being the only public, well resourced company with this narrow focus in this highly attractive market. We estimate shoulder osteoplasty currently represent $2.8 billion annual global market with almost two thirds of that opportunity in the United states. Within the US specifically, we estimate that approximately 250,000 shoulder arthroplasty procedures will be performed in 2025. Today our product portfolio of advanced implant Systems covers approximately 85% of those procedures, encompassing both anatomic and reverse shoulder arthroplasty. This comprehensive portfolio includes various specifically designed components capable of different modes of operation optimized for patient specific needs. More importantly, all our systems leverage consistent surgical techniques, our foundational inset glenoid technology and the same efficient two tray instrumentation system. The remaining 50% of procedures represent adjacent indications in fracture and revision which we intend to fully enter in the near future with several additional products. Currently in our pipeline. I'll share an exciting update on this front later in the call. Our product portfolio serves as the foundation for what we refer to as shoulder Innovation's broader ecosystem. In addition to our implant products, this ecosystem also includes best in class enabling technology, differentiating efficient instrumentation systems, specialized support and a surgeon to surgeon collaboration model. Together, these elements are designed to address the long standing clinical and operational challenges in the shoulder surgical market by improving outcomes, simplifying procedures and increasing efficiency across all sites of care and our own operations. As mentioned, we are primarily known for our foundational technology, the Inset Glenoid, a technology that addresses glenoin loosening the primary complication with anatomic shoulder arthroplasty with the insect Glenoid. Published data shows an 87% reduction in the mechanism of action leading to failure, namely Glenoid loosening. Long term results published in multiple peer reviewed publications demonstrate zero surgical complications, zero loose implants and 100% implant survivorship at nearly nine years that follow. These outcomes represent significant improvement over the standard of care designs. We are also focused on enabling technology as a key driver of our improved outcomes in the future. Preoperative planning plays a vital role in improving workflow and patient outcomes, thereby supporting market adoption. To that end, we view our Provoyance platform, which is integrated with all of our products, as a key element of our success. Provoyance, which we believe to be the first AI enabled preoperative planning solution in the market, allows the surgeon to virtually perform procedures before operating using a CT based 3D model of each patient's anatomy. I'll note specifically that within our ability to measure, virtually all our implants incorporate provoiance, making it a routine part of surgeon workforce. Finally, we continue to benefit from the shift in procedures from hospitals to ambulatory surgery centers or ASCs following CMS's decision to approve ASC reimbursement for shoulder arthroplasty in early 2024. Our early anticipation of this shift enabled us to offer a distinct advantage in the ASC setting with a two tray instrumentation system compared to the eight to ten tray typically required by competitors. As a result, our ASC procedures grew from about 10% in December 2023 just prior to the reimbursement decision to over 30%, positioning us well to benefit from the ongoing transition toward ASC as a preferred site of care in the space. Holistically, we believe our unique ecosystem combined with being the only company with a singular focus on the shoulder specialists, has supported our financial and operational performance to date to sustain our above market growth and drive continued commercial momentum. We are focusing on three key strategic priorities which in the near term include driving adoption among new surgeons, increasing penetration in our existing surgeon customer base to increase procedural volume, and adding products to our portfolio to address the remaining unmet needs of patients and surgeons. This includes both expanding indications and continued enabling technology. We are executing well across each of these priorities with clear progress demonstrated in the third quarter, which I'll touch on now. I'll begin by reviewing our efforts to drive adoption among new surgeons for context. Our Commercial model We sell all our products through a network of independent distributors. To that network, we then overlay a dedicated W2 commercial leadership team with a primary focus of identifying high volume surgeon targets. To enable this, we leverage a proprietary business intelligence platform allowing us to precisely target our efforts to where we can make a difference and understand our effectiveness in making conversions. In total, There are about 15,000 surgeons in the US performing at least one one shoulder arthroplasty each year, with roughly 1800 high volume shoulder specialists accounting for the majority of procedures. These shoulder specialists perform 35 or more procedures annually. Interestingly, while on average these surgeons perform around 80 arthroplasties annually, shoulder replacement typically represents less than half of the surgical volume for these surgeons. We segment this group of 1800 high volume surgeons into three categories by the way they interact with shoulder innovations prospects who perform one to two procedures per quarter, contenders who perform three to eight, and core surgeons who perform nine or more. Combined, our core and contender surgeons generate approximately 95% of our total revenue. This stickiness contributes to our revenue projectibility and is validation that positive outcomes is fueling continued uptake among surgeons. We have consistently expanded our base of these core and contender surgeons each quarter through 2025 and have done so at a rapid pace. For instance, last quarter we announced a nearly 50% year over year increase in our core and contender surgeons. These increase have primarily been driven by enhanced awareness of the SI brand, supported by the targeted efforts of our commercial leadership team in identifying and converting to high volume surgeons. While we intend to provide our core and contender surgeon count on an annual basis, moving forward, I'll share that we again increased the number of core and contender surgeons at the same pace during the third quarter and expect that trend to be durable moving forward. Once we win new surgeons and they become integrated into our ecosystem, our second priority is to drive increased procedural volume. To achieve this, we seek to transition surgeons over time from prospect to contender and from contender to core by increasing penetration and utilization in Q3 our core and contender customers skewed more towards core surgeons and highlighting our ability to increase utilization into this critical high volume cohort. A key driver of this is our surgeon to surgeon education program, facilitated by our customer experience and medical education team, the third component of our broader commercial organization. We are committed to fostering a collaborative community among shoulder surgeons where expertise is shared, new ideas are exchanged and best practices are disseminated to enhance clinical outcomes. By facilitating these peer connections, we strengthen engagement within our ecosystem and reinforce its real world as surgeons share their positive experiences with our ecosystem and the impact of patient outcomes. We believe this organic advocacy further accelerates adoption, positioning us to benefit from the natural network effects within the shoulder surgical care community. As an example, just this past weekend our team facilitated our second national Shoulder Symposium this year focused on learning and education around our ecosystem. This event was by far the largest in our history and included wet lab surgical training as well as robust didactic sessions, all designed, written, proctored and driven by surgeons. Of note and unsolicited from the podium, a number of surgeons highlighted the particular value SI provides in creating this community and the positive impact it's having on their practice. This has been a highly intentional effort by our team and we take great pleasure in hearing the impact it's having. We continue to believe it's a clear differentiator that's helping to drive Results. Results in Q3 demonstrate the benefit of our commercial model. Total implant volume increased 53% year over year to 1,584 units across our prospect, contender and core surgeon customer base. This performance was driven by a couple of factors consistent with prior quarters. Implant volume continued to rise as utilization wrapped among ramped among existing surgeons, particularly those added late last year and early in 2025. In addition, newly onboarded surgeons are ramping more quickly and becoming more productive sooner, which particularly supported the increase in implant volume on a sequential basis which grew 5% as an elective procedure. Shoulder arthroplasty typically experiences a summer slowdown consistent with prior years. This trend was present in Q3 as average procedure volume among our early cohort core surgeons was down slightly on a sequential basis in Q3 versus Q4 Q2 excuse me. However, we're particularly excited to know that we overcame this normal seasonal downtrend through deeper penetration in later surgery cohorts as well as new customer additions to drive meaningful sequential quarter to quarter growth. Looking ahead, we believe our commercial model is well optimized to ensure we can continue to add the appropriate resources to aggressively grow our customer base. Importantly, we expect to make further significant investments in our sales force as we scale from these early market share positions, driving greater predictability in our business. Leveraging our independent network will create a clear opportunity for operational leverage as we scale, a factor we consider critical to our success. To ensure we continue to equip our growing surgeon customer base with a comprehensive best in class suite of shoulder surgical care solutions, our third strategic priority is focused on developing and launching new technologies to address the remaining unmet needs of patients and surgeons. As part of these efforts in the third quarter we launched our inset 70 humeral stem, the latest expansion of our I series humeral stem product line. The inset 70 is indicated for both anatomic and reverse shoulder arthroplasty, addressing a broad range of clinical needs featuring the same reliable fixation and streamlined workflow as the longer inset 95. It also provides the added benefit of the bone sparing nature being the shortest possible stem indicated for reverse arthroplasty. It also maintains the special biomechanics we're known for, with customer feedback strongly suggesting differentiating improvements in the post operative motion compared to other products and techniques. This bone sparing approach is gaining traction in the marketplace and the launch of i70 further strengthens our commitment to innovation, improved patient outcomes and meaningful value for surgeons. We executed a robust limited user release in Q2 and Q3 with 100% successful customer response. We are pleased with the commercial uptake we have seen so far in the marketplace with this new product. We're also focused on expanding our product portfolio and capabilities with the goal of providing a comprehensive solution solutions that cover 100% of shoulder procedures performed. We have several new applications planned in the near term, including fracture revision and mental sensitivity. These new applications will enable us to capture the remaining 15% of shoulder procedures that our product portfolio currently does not cover. The first of these efforts focuses on an indication expansion. We are pleased to share that we recently received FDA 510k clearance that expands our I series human product line to include certain fracture indications. We plan to initiate a limited market release in the coming weeks while we simultaneously seek to advance the full breadth of indications with FDA through the remainder of 2025 and into early 2026 separately, we also remain on track to launch a new line of humoral and glenoid technologies for the portion of the population who have metal hypersensitivity and may experience adversity associated with allergic reactions from metal implants. We expect to receive FDA clearance and subsequently launch these technologies in the coming weeks, and we look forward to sharing additional updates as we're able to. Importantly, these new products and applications are associated with higher ASP's, making them constructive to gross margin and in providing a double benefit to our near term market growth. Finally, in parallel to new implant development and indication expansion, we believe we can further extend our competitive position by introducing complementary enabling technologies to support the full continuum of care in shoulder surgery. As I've shared recently, we've made significant progress in this area and couldn't be more excited about the opportunity. We're looking forward to sharing more on this front in the coming weeks. Looking beyond the near term, we see significant opportunities to further broaden our impact and extend our leadership position from a longer term perspective. We plan to evaluate entry into attractive international markets over time, which we currently do not have a presence in, and expand into adjacent markets beyond shoulder Arthroplasty with adjacent markets particularly among the 1,800 high volume surgeons that we're targeting, shoulder arthroplasty typically represents less than half of their case volume. The rest of their surgical volume is commonly comprised of sports medicine and shoulder trauma procedures, both of which are highly relevant markets for us to target moving forward. Sports medicine, driven largely by road shoulder cup procedure, is a market with a similar side and growth rate to shoulder our capacity. This creates a meaningful opportunity to expand our tan within our existing customer base. I'll continue to update you on our progress on these initiatives as we move forward. With that, I'll now turn the call over to Jeff Points, our CFO to review our third quarter results in more detail and provide our outlook for the remainder of 2025.

Thanks Rob and good afternoon everyone. As Rob mentioned, total revenue for the third quarter of 2025 was 11.8 million, a 58% increase from 7.5 million in the prior year. Our unique commercial model and proprietary business intelligence capabilities drove continued commercial expansion in the third quarter, resulting in increased adoption of our implant systems across new and existing surgeons. Gross margin for the third quarter of. 2025 was 76.2% compared to 76.5% in the prior year. Selling general and administrative expenses in the third quarter of 2025 were 15.1 million compared to 8.5 million in the prior year. The increase was primarily driven by increased headcount in the commercial organization, higher legal costs related to litigation, higher variable selling expenses, and increased professional service fees related to our transition to a public company. We expect an increasing amount of investment in the fourth quarter, reflecting our accelerating commercial momentum. The continued impact of ongoing litigation, which is nearing resolution and our first full quarter of public company expenses. Research and development expenses in the third quarter of 2025 were 1.5 million compared to $1.1 million in the prior year. The increase was primarily driven by investment in new product development efforts. Net loss in the third quarter of 2025 was $8.7 million compared to a loss of $4.1 million in the prior year. The adjusted EBITDA loss in the third quarter of 2025 was $7.5 million compared to a loss of $2.9 million in the prior year. The increase in net loss and the adjusted EBITDA loss was primarily related to increasing operating expenses and changes in the fair value of the company's preferred stock, warrant liability and convertible notes. Our cash and cash equivalents as of September 30, 2025 were 137 million. This includes gross proceeds of approximately 115 million from our July convertible notes, financing and IPO. We continue to believe these funds put us in a strong financial position to continue investing in growth while enabling us to achieve cash flow breakeven with Cash on Hand Turning now to our outlook for the remainder of 2025, reflecting the strong momentum year to date, we now expect full year 2025 total revenue to range from 45 to 46 million, up from our prior guidance of 42 to 44 million, which represents annual growth of 42% to 45% over 2024. With that, I'll turn the call back to Rob for a few closing remarks.

Thanks Jeff. We are very pleased with our performance in the third quarter and see substantial Runway for growth within our $2.8 billion shoulder arthroplasty market. Our disruptive ecosystem, backed by strong clinical results and improved outcomes for patients and surgeons is addressing the existing limitations within this market and driving accelerating this momentum further. Our unique commercial organization and proprietary business intelligence capabilities, AI enabled preoperative software offering and novel product suite position us well to capture share in this market, particularly as shoulder surgical care continues to grow in the outpatient settings. We appreciate your support and continued interest in shoulder innovations as we work towards our mission to redefine shoulder surgical care and enable best in class outcomes for shoulder specialists and their patients. We look forward to sharing updates with you on our progress in the quarters and years to come. With that, I'll now turn the call over to the operator for Q and A operator.

Thank you ladies and gentlemen. If you would like to ask a question, please press Star one on your telephone keypad and a confirmation tone will indicate Your alarm is in the question queue. You may press STAR two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. And our first question comes from the line of Patrick Wood with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed.

Hey, guys, thanks so much and congrats on the first set of results. I'd love just to start. I love it. I'd love just to start with basically the strength of the business that we saw this quarter and how things landed versus at least your internal expectations. Would it be fair to say the volumes came in considerably ahead of where you were hoping? But the surge in engagement, I'm curious, we can all see versus what our external expectations were, but how did it land relative to how you thought things were going to pan out?

So we obviously came away very excited, Patrick, with the way we performed. We saw performance as a function of both kind of existing customers continuing to lean in further, kind of driving those customers from that contender spot to core spot. So obviously we shared already that as we progressed through the quarter, we were able to move a number of those customers towards core and then just continue, have continued to add kind of customers before the quarter and through the quarter. So obviously that business momentum has accelerated relative to where we were early in the year. And kind of, we're obviously excited about that and are kind of planning on driving that on a go forward basis. For sure. We came in strong relative to our guidance. And I think that's just a function of obviously we remain a relatively immature business as we grow and we are continuing to reduce, I'll characterize a standard deviation of volatility, if you will, in kind of surgeon by surgeon volume. And so obviously that growth helps us to kind of continue to prove the predictability of the business.

That's awesome. And then just a quick follow up. You know, you obviously mentioned that the newer surgeons are ramping faster with each cohort that's coming on board. You know, how are you guys managing that? Is that a function of getting better at onboarding people, at getting them into the ecosystem faster? What's kind of driving that?

Yeah, thanks, Patrick. Great question. So we do manage those of groups, indeed by cohorts. And so that's how we're able to analyze and understand that, you know, as we've produced those cohorts quarter by quarter, we are indeed driving faster, ramp through the funnel, so to speak. I'd say it's a function of a number of things. One, as we mature as a Business kind of our brand equity has increased and so there's a more implied trust related with that brand. So. So I think that's one element that has been helpful. Obviously, as we have scaled our commercial organization and we've grown in our talent in that commercial organization, that group has become much, much more skilled at leveraging our business intelligence platform for a couple things. One is to indeed identify who are the right targets to invest our time and energy in. But then also those that we have begun to make progress with, how do we cultivate the progress through the funnel for those individuals? And so the way those teams work together and leverage the business intelligence functions has certainly matured very nicely over the past, I'll call it a year to 18 months and has indeed caused an acceleration of our ability to grow those surgeons towards that core status which we're after. Love it.

Thanks. Thanks, Jeff. Thanks guys.

Yep, thank you.

The next question comes from the line of David Roman with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed.

Thank you. Good afternoon everyone. I appreciate all the detail and background as you kick off your first earnings call here as a public company. And maybe just to pick up a little bit here on the outlook, as I think about the comments you made about Q3 and seasonal dynamics and contrast that with how you're presenting the outlook for Q4, it does contemplate fairly marginal sequential growth. So maybe you could just unpack some of the assumptions in the Q4 guidance and perhaps this is also a good opportunity just to talk to us a little bit about your philosophy in setting guidance as you progress post ipo.

Yeah, so David, I'll start with that. Maybe I'll start with your last question just on kind of our philosophy, but obviously we're going to be kind of use a disciplined, thoughtful approach to setting guidance. We're always going to incorporate the latest and best information we have available to us at the time. Keep in mind we mentioned a couple times now our state of the art business intelligence platform. So we've got a significant amount of data that we utilize to help us predict and provide outlooks and forecasts. And so that's kind of how we build it. Obviously look at it a lot of different ways and I think as we look at Q4, we're using all that information to kind of build that up. Really pleased with the momentum that we have kind of coming out of Q3 into Q4 and really our confidence in that Q4 guidance is grounded in the same drivers that have propelled us kind of through Q3 so far. We're just really executing well across the entire business, both adding new surges to our customer base and then see an increased procedure volume by existing surgeons as well. So we think that will obviously bode well for the rest of the year and was really how we determined the appropriate guidance for the balance of 2025.

Very helpful. And maybe, Rob, you could talk to us a little bit. You laid out some of the timelines for new product launches and allowing you to access a broader set of of the market here. But maybe you could help us further think through just the ramp timelines and any framework you can help us put around the impact of new product launches. Like you have the shorter stem approved now. You're obviously continuing to see problance roll out, then have a number of new products coming in, exiting this year and into 26. So how should we contextualize just product launch timing and when that ultimately translates into an impact to the business?

Yes, sure. Thanks, David. Appreciate the opportunity here. So think about three new products. You have i70, you have the i135, which is for fracture indications, and then what we call N22 or those devices that are for the hypersensitivity to metallic alloys. So I 70, as I mentioned, is now in market, fully commercial launched, and we're seeing that ramp really nicely. Obviously it's very early in that launch kind of process. And so we're not necessarily forecasting a massive bolus of growth associated with that in 25 and think that will be more impactful in 2026. We really expect to be able, kind of beginning with the i135 and what we'll characterize as a limited user release phase really early in 2026. Very early in 2026. That's our intention at this point. So we would go through a limited early release phase and then transition into a full launch probably later in the first half of 26. And then with the N22, we actually have product in the warehouse today. We are completing the regulatory process. Process so as to be able to release that product. That is something I'm hopeful very early in 2026 that we will be able to release into the marketplace that does not warrant so much of a limited user release. It's quite a bit simpler product, I'll put it that way. And so we're hopeful that that can expand a little more aggressively in 2026. But that gives you a good feeling.

And maybe I can speak one more in here. You talked about the summit you hosted over the weekend, which was very prominently. Featured by a number of your surgeon. Partners on social media. Can you just maybe give us your takeaways in a little bit more detail from that meeting? What were some of the highlights, especially as it relates to surgeons who are first time being exposed to shoulder innovations?

Yeah, I mean, as you can imagine, we came away extremely excited about the feedback we received from the meeting. We have done at least six of these meetings, probably more. I apologize, I don't remember the number off the top of my head, but we have definitely grown with each meeting. But I will characterize this was our largest by far meeting, which included a very full cadaveric laboratory session and a very, as I mentioned, robust didactic session. I characterized. Feedback from the meeting was extremely positive with many elements of direct feedback with surgeons kind of committing like they understand it and want to convert. And so it's been a really fun kind of couple days coming off that time in Nashville with that group of surgeons. So obviously we couldn't be much more excited than the impact we expect that can have here on the next couple quarters.

Excellent. Thanks so much.

The next question comes from the line of Matthew o' Brien with Piper Sandler. Please proceed.

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking that question. You know, I know that the unit number came in nicely above expectations, which was great to see, especially seasonally, in a seasonally softer quarter. The other area that was meaningfully or generated meaningful upside in our model was the ASP side of things. So, Rob, maybe talk a little bit about the mix dynamics that you saw here in Q3 and then how do we think about that metric going forward? I'm not saying that, you know, it's going to stay at this level forever, but is this something that's somewhat sustainable in this ballpark for the next several quarters? And then I have a follow up.

Thanks. Yeah, thanks, Matt. Yeah, we agreed that was a notable metric for Q3 and I would characterize maybe not without intention, Matt. So, as I mentioned, we, we do leverage our business intelligence platform to target and obviously that can mean targeting accounts where we expect to be able to garner a more profitable transaction. So clearly some focus by our team in driving that metric was impactful and had a nicely positive result in the quarter. I mentioned already, those new products, most of them that are coming in the relatively near term, all are constructive from a gross margin, really from a price standpoint. So we remain quite optimistic around where ASPS can lead for us. One additional detail is that from a mix perspective, that price was not driven by adjustments in mix from quarter to quarter. So we believe, continue to believe that we pray perform very close to market, overall market with respect to our mix between anatomic and reverse procedures. Obviously, just as a recollection, you know, reverse comes in a little bit higher ASP typically than anatomic does. And so, you know, kind of that's been, that's been constructive. I will also say that we have continued to see positive momentum as it relates to transition to Emily Surgery Centers. And as most understand, we do have ever so slightly lower pricing at those ASCs. And so those ASPs were improving, you know, kind of in spite of that ASC transition as well. So obviously we're, we're excited about that performance. Got it.

Very helpful there. And then follow ups actually for Jeff. Jeff, you know, the EBITDA in the quarter was a little bit lower than we were looking for despite the revenue upside and the gross margin upside. So maybe just tease out some of these legal costs if you can just tell us, you know, incrementally, how much higher was it and then when might we start to see a little bit more of the leverage come through because again, you're making some investments at headcount, et cetera. So when might we see, you know, some revenue upside in the quarter really translate into EBITDA upside? Thanks.

Yeah. So Matt, thank you for the question. And as I mentioned, legal costs obviously kind of really accelerated here in Q3 as we get closer to that, especially the IP case going to trial here in 1H26 that ramped up, that will continue into Q4 and likely into Q1. So I think that obviously will be, that will persist for the next couple of quarters. And then I think obviously we've got a couple of items that were fair value adjustments, both related to the convertible notes and the preferred stock warrants that also impacted ebitda. Obviously those we will not see those again. Those are gone now between Q2 and Q3. Those also impacted adjusted EBITDA. And I think as we think about it, I think on a go forward basis point, over time we're going to see leverage in both RD and SG and A. I think there's going to be some quarterly fluctuations there, Matt, but I think over time we're going to focus on driving both of those categories down as a percentage of revenue. Again, there's going to be some quarterly fluctuations here and there, but I think over time we're going to drive that down and that will be a focus for us.

The next question comes from the line of Matthew Taylor with Jefferies. Please proceed.

Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question this Is Matt on the line for Matt Taylor? Maybe just a quick follow up on. The ASPs which you had this quarter. And like you just mentioned, it seems. To be a little bit more durable. So on your 2025 guidance, when you look to increase that, could you help us maybe break down the contribution from. Higher ASPs versus volume growth?

Yeah, I think the way to think about it, you know, our ASPs were 74.65 in Q3. That's a good proxy for how we expect that to finish in Q4. I think we've seen a nice ASP increase from Q Q1 to Q2, Q2 to Q3. So we've increased that throughout the calendar year. I do expect that to stay pretty similar as we go throughout Q4. And then obviously the balance of the increase would be unit Increases then in Q4.

Great, thank you very much.

As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press Star one on your telephone keypad. And the next question comes from the line of Ryan Zimmerman with btig. Please proceed.

Good evening and congrats on the first quarter here. Can you hear me okay, Rob and Jeff? Yeah, thanks, Ryan. Great. So a couple questions for me and then, you know, I'll hop back in queue. But, you know, one for you, Rob. I mean, as you think about the user base, you know, particularly those that have or use Provoyance, I'm just curious if you kind of talk about kind of the stickiness with which users are using your, you know, product with Provoyance and kind of what you see in utilization, you know, with those Provoyance users, maybe relative to the broader market. I think that would be helpful for us. And then the second question, Jeff, you alluded to some gross margin gains. I know those are kind of a ways away. Just curious, kind of how to think about gross margin opportunities. I know ASPs are going to obviously help, but maybe more on the cost side. If there's anything to call out there or changes in timing, that would be appreciated.

Yes, thanks for the question, Ryan. You know, specifically as it relates to leverage of Provoyance, we have seen continued penetration of the use of Provoliance as a percentage of the number of cases and how we measure that. Ryan is just looking at the number of cases that are created in a quarter versus the number of units that we sell in a quarter. And transparently, we've gotten to the point where we can't really discern when cases are not planned, if that makes sense. So we're actually effectively planning the same number of cases that we perform, I'll put it that way. So our belief is, by and large, to the extent that we can measure, 100% of our cases are indeed planned. I'm sure there's some puts and takes there, but it's dumb close. That's been a very, very important component of our selling process, both how our sales team communicates with surgeons about use of our products, but then also as part of the really the core workflow of using our products. One of the reasons for that is our implant products provide for some really special flexibility as it relates to treating complex glenoids. And use of that planning product in the context of those special treatment options is really, really helpful in a unique way. And I think that's been very quite important in the way that surgeon workflow operates and so has been very effective from a stickiness standpoint. So also I want to emphasize that we don't present a typical preoperative planning platform. We present the platform is somewhat automated in the sense that the surgeon can operate very autonomously and they can do that on their own without help of us as a company. And so that's been an important component that gives the surgeon the independence to do that planning when and where and why they want to, if you will. So it has been important for us. So thanks, Ryan.

Yeah, Ryan.

On the gross margin question, other two, we're very pleased with 76.2% very attractive gross margins. I would say longer term, we're excited about a couple different opportunities. One is, we talked about new products. They'll have a higher asp, a higher margin profile. So those products gain traction, will benefit from that. There's also cost reductions as we kind of scale our volume. There's cost reduction opportunities with that volume. And then we've got specific cost down projects underway that we think will start to benefit us perhaps as early as late 2026. And I think all three of those we're excited about kind of where that, what kind of opportunity that provides for gross margin going forward.

Thanks, Jeff. Thank you.

Thank you. This concludes the question and answer session. I'd like to turn the call back to Rob Ball for closing remarks.

Yeah, okay. Yeah. Thanks everybody. I appreciate the engagement. I'm hopeful we were able to answer some of your questions and obviously looking forward to talking again next quarter, going through our results again. So thanks much for your time. Have a great evening.

Thank you. This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. And thank you for your participation.