ATI reports 7% revenue growth and adjusted EBITDA of $225 million, raising full-year guidance amid strong aerospace and defense demand.

Hello and welcome everyone to the ACI third quarter 2025 results conference call. My name is Becky and I'll be your operator today. During the presentation, you can register a question by pressing star followed by one on your keypad. If you change your mind, please press star followed by two. I will now hand over to your host David Weston to begin. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good morning and welcome to ATI's third quarter 2025 earnings call. Today's discussion is being webcast online at atimaterials.com participating in today's call to share key points from our third quarter results are Kim Fields, President and CEO, and Don Newman, Executive Vice President and CFO. Before starting our prepared remarks, I would like to draw your attention to the supplemental presentation that accompanies this call. Those slides provide additional color and details on our results, capabilities and outlook including and can also be found on our website@atimaterials.com after our prepared remarks, we'll open the line for questions. As a reminder, all forward looking statements are subject to various assumptions and caveats. Those are noted in the earnings release and in the accompanying presentation. Now I'll turn the call over to Kim Fields.

Kim Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us. Q3 2025 was another strong quarter for ATI, delivering results ahead of our projections, advancing our long term strategy and strengthening our leadership in aerospace and defense. Our teams continue to perform at a high level, meeting growing customer needs and driving sustained value. Let's start with a quick overview of our Q3 2025 results. Revenue was up 7% year over year, once again exceeding $1.1 billion. Adjusted EPS was $0.85, $0.10 above the high end of our projected range. Adjusted EBITDA totaled $225 million, excluding approximately $10 million related to the sale of oil and gas rights. $215 million of adjusted EBITDA exceeded the high end of our guidance by $5 million. Adjusted EBITDA margin exceeded 20%, our highest since the pandemic, and almost double 2019's margin. Both segments delivered excellent profitability. Our High Performance, Materials and Components Segment margins were above 24% and advanced alloys and solutions segment above 17%, driven by strong pricing mix and increasing aerospace and defense content. Cash generated from operations year to date reach 2.299 billion dollars, a $273 million improvement from last year. We also returned $150 million to shareholders this quarter through share repurchases, with $120 million remaining under our current authorization. Given this performance and our outlook for Q4, we are raising our full year Guidance across the board adjusted EBITDA for 2025 now forecast between $848 million and $858 million, a $28 million increase at the midpoint. Adjusted free cash flow now forecasts between 330 million and $370 million, a 40 million increase at the midpoint. Don will share more details on this in a moment. With one quarter left in 2025, I want to highlight three key themes driving ATI's continued momentum. First, we have strong demand in our core markets with aerospace and defense leading the way. Total aerospace and defense revenue rose 21% year over year in the third quarter, fueled by record defense performance and sustained demand in jet engines. This quarter aerospace and defense reached an all time high of 70% of total revenue, marking an important milestone in our strategy. Long term agreements and differentiated materials are supporting consistent growth through 2026 and beyond. I'll detail what I see in these markets. Our largest market, jet engines, now 39% of total revenue, grew 19% year over year in Q3 2025, with MRO representing about 50% of total engine sales. Next generation programs such as LEAP and GTF continue to accelerate with strong production and aftermarket demand. You probably heard OEMs make those forecasts in their recent earnings calls. This sustained momentum supports long term growth for ATI's proprietary alloys and forged turbine disks. Our order book extends into the mid-2027, underscoring tight supply and the strength of our customer partnerships. As a priority supplier, we've gained additional share in content with where others have faced execution challenges while maintaining pricing that reflects the value of our capabilities. Looking ahead, we expect Q4 jet engine revenue growth in the high single to low double digits for the full year. Jet engine growth is expected to exceed 20% with multi decade customer agreements and increasing platform demand. ATI is well positioned for continued share gains and profitable growth through this aerospace cycle. Airframe sales grew 9% year over year and 3% year to date this quarter, supported by the ongoing ramp in Boeing and Airbus production and timing of customer orders. Boeing's Production rate increase of 42 per month on the 737 and Airbus A320 target of 75 per month by 2027 signal healthy sustained demand. We expect Q4 airframe revenues to finish modestly above 2024 levels as airframers adjust their inventory to production needs. ATI's expanded titanium capacity and advanced processing capabilities are driving share gains and improved pricing across OEM platforms, enhancing our mix of higher value structural components and supporting continued margin expansion. Next year we anticipate high single digit growth in airframe revenues driven by steady production ramps, increased ATI content and favorable pricing under new long term contracts that start at the beginning of 2026. Beyond 2026, as build rates rise, ATI's airframe business is poised to grow faster than overall industry volumes. Reflecting our differentiated titanium portfolio and deep customer alignment, defense markets remain exceptionally Strong. Revenue increased 51% year over year and 36% sequentially reflecting broad based strength across naval, nuclear, rotary craft, missile, and armored vehicle programs. Our diversified product base benefits from both U.S. and allied spending growth. We continue to qualify on new programs entering early production. ATI's defense business has now delivered three consecutive years of double digit growth outpacing defense spending. Highlights this quarter include being named Supplier of the Year by General Dynamics UK, underscoring customer trust in ATI's performance and reliable delivery. Missile and propulsion programs are expanding rapidly. ATI's advanced materials are increasingly specified in THAAD and PAC-3 systems where production is accelerating to meet recapitalization demand. We're also supporting emerging initiatives like Golden Dome positioning ATI for above market growth into the next decade. Emergent naval nuclear also contributed meaningfully to Q3 2025 performance, showcasing the resilience and scale of our defense portfolio. With expanding qualifications, multi year visibility and growing international participation, Defense is set for continued record performance as modernization and replenishment programs ramp worldwide. Bottom line aerospace and defense remains the foundation of ATI's growth. My second key theme, operational excellence and disciplined execution are the backbone of our performance this quarter. The team delivered strong productivity gains across ati. We're delivering what we call the triple-threat higher uptime, improved first pass yield and expanding manufacturing capabilities. We have examples across the company. In our nickel remelt operations, output increased by double digits in the isothermal process flow, heat treat cycle time improved. 3X accelerated throughput is lowering cost and freeing capacity for our crucial jet engine products. At our specialty materials business, we also expanded powder atomization capacity by over 25%, improving yield and quality. We expect to see the benefits of this improvement in our first half 2026 shipments and our specially rolled product business achieved a new record for monthly coil shipments, another demonstration of increased throughput and efficiency. Specialty alloys and components unlocked more than 20% additional capacity in the zirconium sponge process. This was accomplished through standard work and maintenance optimization requiring minimal capital investment. As a reminder, ATI is the leading producer of high purity zirconium at scale in the western world. This material is important to national Defense, energy and aerospace. It's a small but highly profitable part of our business today with significant growth potential ahead. Collectively, these initiatives have expanded available capacity by roughly 10% with the greatest impact in our differentiated moted products and contribute to our margin gains. These are not just operational wins. They enhance reliability, increase asset utilization and drive long term earnings growth. By securing additional customer qualifications on new equipment and products, we're building The foundation for ATI's next chapter of Performance and Profitability. My third theme this quarter. Our strategy and investments continue to drive long term value. Our strategy is working with 70% of revenue now coming from aerospace and defense and ATI is firmly focused on our most differentiated high value materials and markets. Our nickel investment expands differentiated capacity at the top of the value chain. You'll recall we're the sole Source Producer for 5 out of the 7 most advanced superalloys in the jet engine. Before we decide to invest, each project undergoes a disciplined review process requiring projected internal rates of return above 30% and clear alignment with long term customer contracts. In many cases, our customers are funding alongside us, reinforcing shared confidence in the demand outlook and guaranteeing needed capacity is in place for the future. We'll continue deploying capital with focus and discipline, prioritizing differentiated products, high return investments and strategic partnerships that sustain ATI's leadership and create long term value. I've been recently asked by a few investors whether investing in nickel melt capacity will negatively impact our pricing. The short answer is no. Our focus is on our most differentiated products. This is about expanding the competitive moat while supporting the engine ramp and our customers ambitious growth targets. In summary, strong aerospace and defense demand, a relentless focus on operational excellence and a strategy that's creating long term value resulted in Q3 2025 being ATI's strongest quarter of the year. We're well positioned to extend our Momentum to finish 2025 strong and with that I'll turn it over to Don.

Thanks Kim. I'll provide some additional detail on our financial performance and discuss our outlook for the fourth quarter and full year. In Q3, we once again delivered results ahead of expectations. Adjusted EBITDA was $225 million including a $10 million gain from oil and gas right sales. Excluding that EBITDA of $215 million represents a 19% year over year and 6% sequential improvement with margins at 20% or 19.1% excluding asset sales. Strong price mix and volume performance, particularly in defense and jet engines, drove this outperformance, Resulting in nearly $10 million of operational upside versus our prior guidance range Midpoint year to date our sales are up 7% and adjusted EBITDA is up 19% over the prior year excluding asset sales. This reflects improved mix cost discipline and incremental margins which remained near 50% demonstrating the leverage of our business model. Segment performance was strong. HPMC EBITDA margins expanded to 24.2%, up 50 basis points sequentially and 190 basis points year over year. AANS margins improved to 17.3%, a 290 basis point increase sequentially and a 250 point increase year over year. This reflects gains from ongoing transformation and efficiency efforts. Cash generation also remains Strong. Through the third quarter we have generated nearly $300 million in operating cash flow supported by working capital improvement and strong earnings. We continue to monetize non core assets including the oil and gas rights sale and a small non core machining divestiture, all while keeping capital investments focus and discipline. Gross capital expenditures year to date total $188 million. Managed working capital as a percentage of sales remains around 36%. With opportunity to improve, we expect a strong finish to the year. The seasonal working capital release and projected strong Q4 performance position us for robust fourth quarter cash generation. Now let's look at our guidance for the fourth quarter and full year. Building on Kim's comments, we are raising full year guidance to reflect stronger performance and visibility through year end. Adjusted EBITDA 848 to $858 million up $28 million at the midpoint. Adjusted EPS $3.15 to $3.21 free cash flow $330 million to $370 million capex $260 million to $280 million. That's unchanged from prior guidance. Q4 adjusted EBITDA is projected at 221 to $231 million, a sequential 5% increase excluding oil and gas gains. The midpoint of $226 million is driven by continued growth in jet engine forgings, improved price and mix and sustained strength in defense programs. Turning to margins based upon our continued strong performance, I expect consolidated margins in Q4 will exceed 19% and full year margins will be in the range of 18.5%. At the segment level, HPMC Q4 margins should continue to increase, exceeding Q3 margins of 24.2%. AANF Q4 margins are expected to be between 16 and 16.5%. Consistent with sales mix expectations. We expect another strong quarter of cash generation supported by collections and improved working capital efficiency. We are on track for 330 to $370 million in adjusted free cash flow this year. This is a $40 million increase to the midpoint of the range. Gross capital expenditures will stay within the planned range of 260 to 280 million dollars, partially funded by proceeds from sale of non core assets. Cash generated from sales of non core assets and businesses totaled approximately $30 million year to date and $76 million in 2024. Our focus remains on high return customer supported investments that enhance mix margin and long term competitiveness. Each quarter this year we have increased EBITDA margins and cash. Generation Q4 will build on that performance, creating momentum that we will carry into 2026. With that, I will turn the call back over to Kim.

Thanks Don as we shared on September 11, Don has elected to retire from his role as CFO following our fourth quarter call. We'll have more to say about Don and his outstanding career next quarter, but I want to take a moment now to thank him for his leadership and many contributions that helped put ATI in the strong position we're in today. The search for Don's successor is well underway. We're considering both internal and external candidates to identify the best possible leader. I'll share progress on the search in the months ahead for a seamless transition. Our disciplined financial strategy will continue before we turn to Q and A, I want to reflect on what makes ATI a compelling aerospace and defense story. When we began this transformation several years ago, ATI served a wide range of products and customers with limited concentration in our most differentiated materials. Fast forward to today and the transformation is clear. ATI is an aerospace and defense leader with more than 70% of our revenue coming from these high value markets. In 2019, our margins were roughly half the 20% we delivered this quarter and our growth rates were more susceptible to price and input cost swings. Today we are structurally stronger, anchored in differentiated materials, long term customer relationships and sustainable pricing power. We've made tremendous progress, but we're not finished. The path forward centers on three levers. First, strategic pricing and mix optimization. Demand continues to outpace supply in key markets like jet engines, defense and specialty energy. We're optimizing our product mix at our most valuable assets to capture higher value opportunities. Our long term agreements and strategic pricing actions capture the value we deliver, securing the price terms and pass throughs that reflect our differentiated materials and the reliability our customers depend on. These long term partnerships also underpin future investments and joint technology development, ensuring we expand capabilities in alignment with customers needs. Our second lever is operational Excellence and productivity. Across ati, yield and throughput improvements are expanding capacity without adding capital. Product and process innovation drive efficiency and reliability, supporting record margins and cash generation across both segments. Our third lever is focus and simplification. We apply an 80:20 mindset, investing where ATI creates the most value and exiting where we don't. We're redeploying capital to high value, high growth areas. ATI is more agile, more profitable and better positioned to deliver long term value. These levers are driving continued margin expansion, strong cash generation and higher returns on Capital. Customers recognize ATI's reliable track record. Long term contracts and technical expertise reinforce the surety of supply our partners count on. ATI's foundation is strong. We're profitably growing, expanding margins and generating robust cash flows trends we expect to continue well into the next decade. We're ahead of schedule on our 2027 growth and margin targets. And our business model provides clear visibility through 2030 and beyond. Even as customers build, schedules fluctuates. ATI continues to gain share across A and D, optimize its asset base and deliver consistent growth and increasing returns. Our differentiated materials, technical expertise and integrated capabilities create a durable competitive moat, one that aligns closely with our A and D partners. We've accomplished a lot and we're just getting started with that. Let's open the line for your questions.

Thank you. If you wish to ask a question, please press start followed by one on your telephone keypad. Now, if for any reason you want to remove your question from the queue, please press start followed by two. When preparing to ask a question, please ensure your device is unmuted locally. Our first question comes from Richard Safran from Seaport Research Partners. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Thanks, Kim. Dave, good morning. Congrats to you on the retirement and thanks for all the help over the years.

Appreciate it. Okay.

So, Kim, I heard your opening remarks, but I'm not exactly sure I understand what's changed since 2Q to drive the revised outlook and the guidance increase. So maybe you could discuss what's changed in your outlook and you know, go into the moving pieces that drove this guidance increase we saw today.

Thanks. Sure. Thanks, Rich. So, you know, let me start with, you know, the guidance is reflecting that stronger than expected and performance, particularly in defense. We had a tremendous quarter and we see the aerospace and defense growth and momentum in third quarter continuing through the rest of this year. And frankly into 2026, you know, we delivered 225 million adjusted EBITDA. You know, and excluding the oil and gas. Right. That's 215. You know, HPMC was over 24% in margins. AANS S was, was over 17. And you know, those, that operational productivity that I talked about is really starting to flow through and we're seeing that in those margin numbers. You know, free cash flow continues to be a standout, you know, at 299 million year to date, up 273 from last year. So you know, as we look at the momentum that we built in the third quarter, we see that we anticipate that strength going into Q4 across A and D and frankly continuing into 2026. You know, so overall strength in markets and strength in our position and the returns that we're getting on the investments from an operational and mix and pricing.

Okay, this next one is a somewhat related two part question about nickel and titanium. You have a lot of single source nickel alloys. You know, I'm talking about things like Rene 65 on the OE side. You're facing rate 52 at Boeing, rate 75 at Airbus. There's aftermarket demand. So first part, what are you doing to manage this melt capacity you discussed in your opening remarks? Second part. Kim, I think you recently said ATI is now the number one source of flat rolled titanium products to Airbus. What actually does that mean and how does that translate eventually to the P and L, if you would? Thanks.

Sure, sure. So you're right, you know, we continue to see record demand for premium nickel alloys, especially those used in next generation engine products like you know, Leap and GTF as well as Defense, which as I just mentioned we had a fantastic quarter. So we're seeing demand across all of those market segments. And meeting that demand this year has really been focused around that productivity and reliability, higher melt yields, more downstream processing, the increased testing capacity in our forged products business, those actions are delivering these strong results that you're seeing and how we supported that more than 20% jet engine growth this year as well as margins at HPMC over 24%. So we're going to continue to focus on expanding process efficiency and customer co funded projects. And as I mentioned in my remarks, these investments well exceed 30% IRR or internal rate of return targets and ensure that supply assurance without adding unnecessary melt capacity. But at the same time, as you said, this demand that we're seeing this year is going to continue to grow. The other OEMs have said on their earnings call they're expecting this to continue to build and accelerate through the decade. And so we're also looking at selectively expanding our milk capacity to support that long term growth. Particularly in these high, you know, high priority or I'm sorry, proprietary alloys, those hot sectionalities I talked about two quarters ago, you know, those five of seven, not the standard nickel alloys. So we're doing very purpose built type of capital expansion and these projects are being developed in partnership with our customers, they're backed by long term agreements, they have co funding to ensure the new capacity and capabilities align with the future needs of this market. And as I mentioned, all these products are well in excess of the 30% target. So you know, it's important to remember those proprietary alloys in many cases we are sole sourced on those five of seven in the hot section with very, very long qualification times and difficult learning curves and are under LTA's for decades. So we're managing it in the short term, both from a productivity standpoint to continue to improve our output from our current asset base and then in the long term selectively investing purpose built assets for those hot section alloys where we have those sole source and long term agreements. On the second question you asked me around, Airbus. Yeah, that's like I said, is a great success story. You know, I'll just remind everybody, before COVID we weren't shipping anything to Airbus. At that time we had just signed our first contract with them. We hadn't even started shipping. We went into Covid, Ukraine was invaded and quickly the need to engage and get us up to speed became an imperative. And today as I mentioned, when I say we're the number one flat roll supplier in the industry, I'm sorry, in the product portfolio that we're selling them, that means we're the majority supplier today. You know, the share based contracts allow us to expand that sharing content as they continue to ramp and grow. There's mechanisms for pass through for metal inflation, tariffs and we effectively starting next year are doubling our Airbus revenue and expanding those margins. So the benefit as you asked, you know, to the P and L comes through that stronger mix, you know, consistent volume, expanded content and share and the higher margins from the premium titanium plate and sheet. Yeah, I just want to mention here there's been. Oh, go ahead. Sorry.

Just on your melt comment, are you effective? If I understood you right, are you effectively saying you're managing to the high margin products? Is that what that.

We are, yeah. In both the short and the long term? Yes we are, we are optimizing the mix. So you see that in some of our arrow like and other categories and growth. So we are managing to the highest Value mix in the short term and optimizing the throughput and output and then in the long term putting purpose built assets in, partnering with our customers for that.

Terrific.

All right, thank you, thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Miles Walton from Wolf Research. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Thanks. Good morning. I was hoping to dig a little. Deeper into the engine mix that you have going on with maintenance, repair, and overhaul (MRO) being 50% of total engine sales. How much of that do you have a sense is in production maintenance, repair, and overhaul (maintenance, repair, and overhaul (MRO)) work or in production engines being maintenance, repair, and overhaul (MRO)'d versus out of production engines being maintenance, repair, and overhaul (MRO)?

Well, for us, as I look at our mix, we have a higher content on the next gen engines that are out the leap, the GTFs. So what we're seeing is continued MRO and continued heavier shop visits where as I've mentioned, you know, those forged discs that we make are typically the number one place that they're going to start looking if they're coming in for either for just a typical upgrade as they're continuing to increase life and efficiency as well as the normal scheduled maintenance visit. So I would, for us, it's mainly the next gen engines that we have the higher content. That's where those powder alloys and those proprietary alloys that I just talked about really are predominant and it's what drives that increased efficiency in life in those engines.

Okay, and a lot of the engineers, Original Equipment Manufacturers (OEMs) are talking about mid teens type growth into next year. Is that something that would be in line with the level of growth you'd expect in your engine and engine end market?

Yeah, I'd say that's in line with how we're thinking about it. We do see, as you said, they're sharing and we see that continued growth in demand not just in the short term, but through the whole decade. And you know, because of our LTA's, our long term agreements and our relationships, you know, customers, we have very transparent communications. We're aligned these alloys in their hot section. Being a sole source or proprietary supplier really affords us the opportunity to partner closely. And to your point, we do see, you know, the growth as they're saying next year, but also through the decade and then we're looking at investments to ensure that we're continuing to support that.

That's great. Thank you.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from Phil Gibbs from KeyBank. Your line is now open. Please go ahead. Hey, good morning.

Good morning.

So excluding the oil and gas rights, you were ahead of the Midpoint by about 10 million in the quarter for your adjusted EBITDA. Should we think about that based on some of the comments you were providing earlier, that maybe half of that's operational and half of that is due to the stronger or strong defense sales you had in the quarter?

Yeah, I mean, I think that's fair. We've done work across all of our assets. Defense, like I said, that was really a bright spot and the team did a fantastic job. We had, you know, defense continues to grow at double digit for us and you know, that pace across missiles, nuclear, naval and rotary programs. But we had some demand come in last last quarter that is going to continue through the rest of this year and into next year. That really allowed us to focus and you saw some of some of the numbers moved around a little bit as we prioritized those shipments to those customers. But we expect that double digit growth in defense to continue into 2026. Missiles like systems like THAAD and PAC3 are continuing to expand and you know, we were blending those mature programs we have with some of these new cutting edge programs like the MB75 and the F47. So yes, comes from both the productivity, which we'll continue to keep focusing on so that we can keep meeting the demand that, you know, from an A and D standpoint does continue to come in very strong.

So Kim, the defense sales levels overall, do you expect those to continue in the fourth quarter or was some pulled into the third quarter?

No, I mean, so we did have some significant shipments from the forging business in the third quarter and we will see that moderate a bit as we go into the fourth quarter. But as I look forward, the strength and momentum of the demand coming from these defense programs are going to continue to build as we come through the fourth quarter and into 2026. Now that said jet engine overall, you will see that uptick in the fourth quarter as like I said, we prioritized some of our assets and shipments in the third quarter for some immediate defense needs that'll start to come back and it'll be up.

And then lastly, the net working capital side, that was a pretty strong improvement in terms of the free cash flow bridge. Where is that coming from predominantly? Is it mostly inventory or is it some inventory and payables? Just curious on that. Thanks so much.

I'll tell you what, I'll take that question. Part of the improvement that that we saw in working capital really throughout the year, but especially in Q3 was tied to our management of accounts receivable. Now we are making progress certainly on the inventory side of the house. We've improved our efficiencies and our intensity there. But for accounts receivable, we put in place a securitization facility and that securitization facility. We did execute some of the AR factoring in the period, and so that benefited some of our working capital efficiencies in Q3. But as you take a step back though, and you look at the full year guidance when it comes to free cash flow, you know, clearly we're making progress both operationally and the cash that's generated through operations. And we are making progress across the working capital, especially AR and inventory, to improve that, that part of our cash generation.

Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Gautam Khanna from TD Cowan. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Hey, thanks. Good morning and congrats, Don. I know we had you for a little longer, but congrats.

Well, thank you, sir.

Guys, I had a couple quick questions. You did mention in 2026 you expect airframe sales to be up high single digit, and wanted to ask if you had any other preliminary color you could provide on 2026 with respect to other end markets like jet engine. Maybe if you could just opine generically on incremental margins at hpmc. Any, any sort of parameters you'd give us as we start to pencil in. 26.

I'd say, you know, as you mentioned, you know, I'll just, I'll talk about the guidance, I'll let Don talk a little bit about the incremental margins which we do see expanding. But you know, for 2026, you know, as you mentioned, we're expecting that airframe growth to be, to be, throughout the year, maybe start modestly and grow as we get to the back half of the year and accelerate as the planned increase rates start to take effect. From an engine standpoint, we do see, as I mentioned, you know, continued growth and strength in that, in that space. You know, we're not giving specific guidance on every market. We wanted to share some things around airframe because there was a lot of questions on that last quarter. But, you know, as we're finalizing our plans, we'll give official guidance in the first quarter and share all of those numbers. But, you know, that said, we are seeing and anticipate demand for jet engines to remain exceptionally strong through next year and into 2027, based on our order book and what we see already today. Don, do you want to talk about margins at all?

I would love to. So, to your point, yes, we've been seeing some really excellent performance around our incremental margins year to date, we're approaching 50%. And so we're really pleased with that. It's not a surprise to us. We've talked in the past about what our expectations were over time when it comes to incrementals. You know, the standing rule that we've shared with or the standing guidance that we've shared with you guys is assume incrementals live in the 30 to 40% range. Think about 40% as aligned to HPMC expectations, 30% more aligned to the A and S part of the house. But we expected as our mix was improving, as price was being captured, as efficiencies were being delivered, that our incrementals would improve. Now, we've seen that in the first several quarters of this year. And the question, the basic question is, okay, is this, is this a new, Is this an indicator of a new incremental that we should be modeling to. I would say at this point we would continue to recommend the 30 to 40% in the future. In the near future, I would expect management will share with, with investors, analysts if that margin needs to be increased to a higher level. But I can tell you from my standpoint, while I'm really happy with the performance we're seeing, when I'm not modeling the business, I still use that 30 to 40% range. And. But I do expect that, that we will see the improvement that we've indicated, you know, as time unfolds here.

Thanks, guys.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Andre Madrid from btig. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Hey, everyone. Good morning. And Don, congratulations again. Glad we have you for one more, but it's been a pleasure. So you called out Naval Nuclear as one of the main drivers at Defense. But maybe could you just give us. A status update there on the Zerg supply chain and how things are going there vis a vis China.

Yeah, so obviously, you know, the news continues to change depending on if we have a trade deal or not. But I'd say, you know, from the supply chain side on the Zirk product, it's been very stable. We haven't seen any impact or anything that is concerning from our standpoint. You know, I will that. You know, I think I've mentioned this in the past, we've also built stockpiles, both, both of raw materials as well as finished products to make sure if there's any intermittent impacts that, you know, as we can see through some of these trade negotiations, that we're able to maintain that and manage that and so we're in a really good position from the supply chain side of things. You know, when I look at the market though, you know, I'm expecting positive momentum as we go into the Q into Q4. We use these last couple quarters, frankly, to upgrade some of our equipment with some customer funded capital because again, our customers are looking at some of our capabilities and seeing, you know, tightness with the demand that they've got coming, both, you know, nuclear defense as well as energy, gas turbine energy. So, you know, we did put some upgrades. So we do anticipate to see some of those benefits starting to come through. And the demand fundamentals are solid. So we're working on new qualifications and new material to get qualified for those applications as well.

Got it, got it. And in terms of those stockpiles, if you can share, I mean, how much, how long of demand does that reflect those stockpiles? Like, how is it like a year or two?

I would say we generally on finished product, we have almost two years, probably around two years of inventory. And on the raw material side, we have over a year of materials. You have to remember, these raw materials are not especially the raw materials for zerc. It's not a very high, and it's only half. So let me qualify this. Only half of the raw materials that we put in to make our Zerq product, and it's not a very high dollar amount. So we're able to hold large amounts of inventory in that raw materials. And as I said, you know, we haven't had to jump to pull into that or use any of that. We're actually, you know, we're maintaining and managing it. We haven't seen disruptions this year. There's been good flow and it hasn't been threatened as of yet. But again, if there's any bubble or any momentary disruption, I think we're in a good position to maintain through that.

Got it, got it. Thank you. And if I could just squeeze one more in. I mean, you said MRO is roughly half of engine. What was, what was that percentage previously? You know, pre Covid and whatnot?

Yeah, pre Covid, I would say, you know, typically what our rule of thumb was is 20 to 25%. And you know, we've seen that accelerate rapidly. And you know, you know, all of these things, Andre, you know, as you look at shop visits and you know, the airline's waiting on planes to get delivered, so some of those older planes are staying in service longer. I think the other aspect is these next gen engines, they're Continuing to drive lifing and efficiency. So they're doing upgrade packages. So all of those are coming to bear. And again, they all hit squarely into that hot section, those forged discs that have so much wear that basically provide the thrust for the, the engine and the plane to get off the ground. And so we are seeing, like I said, a substantial increase. And, you know, the. I won't Talk for the OEMs, they're sharing it publicly, but they're sharing with us that they're seeing this to continue through the decade as we go forward and these engines, you know, get into their first and second shop visits.

Kim, that's super helpful. Color. Thanks so much. I'll leave it there.

Sure. Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from Seth Seifman from JP Morgan. Your line is now open. Please go ahead.

Thanks very much. Good morning. Nice results and nice remarks. And Don, thanks. Thanks for everything. So I guess just starting out, you. Mentioned in the High Performance Materials and Components (HPMC) business, kind of a change in the structure of a contract. I think something that goes, that moves it more toward just recognizing your value add on work, you know, rather than all the materials is there. Do you anticipate more happening there and kind of what kind of determines, you know, when that happens and you know, when it doesn't?

Hey, Seth, it's done. So let me take that one. You're right. In the quarter, we highlighted, because we're wanting to explain the movement, our jet engine revenue, sequentially we highlighted that we had a contract, a particular contract that we had converted from a materials and conversion structure, which means we would buy the material and convert the material and sell the product to our customers. We converted, at the request of our customer, that contract to a conversion only. What that means is we don't buy the material. They provide the material. And the long and the short of that is you have less revenue that you recognize it doesn't negatively impact your bottom line and it can actually be a help to your margins. So that's the background there. Is it a trend? Well, it's not unusual in our business to have conversion contracts. We don't see a trend that the material contracts will transition to conversion contracts. It was, I would say, generally an isolated situation where it shifted over. That particular contract had about a $10 million effect on revenue from Q2 to Q3. That particular contract will be with us through the end of this year. So you'll see that same effect in Q4. But no, not a trend and no messaging around this particular change. Excellent.

Great, great. Thanks. And then I think this probably follows up a little bit on Andre's question. But you know, specialty energy, in the slides you talk about it being kind of a longer term growth market. You know, in recent years there's been a little bit of growth, but not a lot and you know, down this year. And so, you know, how do you think about the timeframe for that and is it sort of, you know, linked to, you know, should we think about it more linked to developments in nuclear energy or anything else?

Yeah, I would say we're going to start to see growth in that market segment next quarter and that's going to continue to accelerate as we go into 2020 for us. And you're right to point that out. It's both, it's both gas turbine, you know, and I'd say that is going to be in the immediate, the next few quarters. You'll see that'll be what's behind that growth and you'll see that continue to increase. We are, you know, in the process of developing some new materials there and getting qualified. And so there is significant demand there, I'd say on the nuclear side, as you said, we're in a unique position. We're one of the only western suppliers of some of the zirconium in the tracks or tubing form that is really needed for commercial nuclear facilities globally. And so that business, as I mentioned, we did some upgrades, we put some capacity, freed up some bottlenecks there and so we're going to see that continue to grow. I know they're trying to fast track some of those nuclear facilities and bringing them back online. And we're seeing that demand come in now in orders for that today. So both of them. But I'd say the gas turbine really being driven by, you know, the, you know, driven by the data centers and the demand for energy and for both, you know, this is a market that we don't spend a ton of time. We talk a lot about aerospace, but you know, we really leverages our differentiated materials, our breadth of materials, zirconium, hafnium, you know, as well as titanium and nickel products and those capabilities. You know, I know we've mentioned it. I probably underemphasized the capabilities of our assets and the flexibility of those to be able to flex into some of these markets where there are very few if any in the Western world that have those capabilities in that product form. So, you know, we are seeing a lot of demand. I'm very excited about the future for energy for us. I do think it's a small part of our business today, but I do see that growing and it's a very profitable, profitable part of our overall portfolio.

Excellent. Thanks very much.

Thank you. We currently have no further questions, so I'll hand back to Kim Fields for closing remarks.

Thanks. Well, thank you everybody for the call today. As I said, we had a fantastic quarter. I'm, you know, very pleased with the results that we've demonstrated in the third quarter and the momentum that we see going into the fourth quarter and frankly into 2026. You know, next quarter we'll share our official, you know, formalized guidance. But just to close on, you know, we're going to stay focused on where we're most differentiated, those advanced materials and forgings for aerospace and defense. The next phase is really around growing our content per platform, scaling those co funded investments and improving operational leverage. You know, we continue to see that mix grow and A and D is going to continue to grow faster probably than our other markets as we go into next year. And that momentum will continue from Q4 to 2026 over time. Like I said, the bottom line is our transformation is working. We're seeing that in both our margins, our mix and our overall growth. Now it's really about compounding that performance for the rest of this year and into 2026. Thank you guys for your time. I really appreciate it. And I'll talk with you later.

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