loanDepot reports narrower Q3 adjusted net loss, highlights strategic leadership changes and focuses on profitable market growth amid evolving market conditions.
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- loanDepot reported an adjusted net loss of $3 million for Q3 2025, an improvement from a $16 million loss in Q2, driven by higher revenue and a slight increase in expenses.
- The company initiated a business transformation with new leadership in origination channels and technology functions, highlighting a focus on profitable market share growth.
- Q3 pull through weighted rate lock volume increased by 10% to $7 billion, while the gain on sale margin improved to 339 basis points, contributing to $325 million in adjusted total revenue.
- loanDepot is leveraging its in-house servicing platform to enhance customer recapture and profitability, while new technological innovations aim to improve customer experience and reduce costs.
- Looking forward, the company expects Q4 pull through rated lock volume between $6 billion and $8 billion, and origination volume between $6.5 billion and $8.5 billion, with a focus on maintaining cash and a strong balance sheet.
- Management expressed confidence in the company's ability to grow market share profitably, emphasizing the importance of strategic hires and technological advancements in driving future success.
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OPERATOR - (00:00:06)
Good afternoon and welcome to Loan Depot's third quarter 2025 earnings call. After the Speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press Star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question again, press star and 1. I would now like to turn the call over to Gerhard Erdale, Senior Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Gerhard Erdale - Senior Vice President, Investor Relations - (00:00:34)
Thank you. Good afternoon everyone and thank you for joining our third quarter 2025 earnings call. Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that this conference call may include forward looking statements regarding the Company's operating and financial performance in future periods. All statements other than statements of historical fact are statements that could be deemed forward looking statements and including but not limited to guidance to our pull through Weighted Rate Lock, Volume origination, Volume pull through Weighted gain on sale Margin strategies, capabilities and financial performance. These statements are based on the Company's current expectations and available information. Actual results for future periods may differ materially from these forward looking statements due to risks or other factors that are described in the Risk Factors SECtion of our filings with the SEC. Our presentation today contains certain non-GAAP financial measures that we believe provide additional insight into analyzing and benchmarking the performance and value of our business and facilitating company to company operating performance comparisons. For more details on these non-GAAP financial measures, including reconciliation to the most directly comparable GAAP measures, please refer to today's earnings release which is available on our website@investors.loandepot.com a webcast and a transcript of this call will be posted on our website after the conclusion of this call. On today's call we have Loan Depot's Founder and Chief Executive Officer Anthony Shea and Chief Financial Officer David Hayes. They will provide an overview of our quarter as well as our financial and operational results and outlook. We are also joined by Chief Investment Officer Jeff Dagurian and and Dominic Marchetti, Chief Digital Officer, to help answer your questions after our prepared remarks. And with that I'll turn things over to Anthony to get us started.
Anthony Hsieh - (00:02:24)
Anthony thank you Gerhard. I appreciate everyone joining us on the call today. During the five months since I returned to Loan Depot as CEO, we made significant changes to our business that align with our objective of growing our market share profitably. Before I speak to these achievements, let me first talk about our strategy and positioning in the marketplace today. We continue to believe strongly in our diversified business model with best in class origination capabilities across multiple channels that provide access to purchase, refinance and home equity lending opportunities across market cycles. These origination capabilities are complemented by our in house servicing platform and recapture capabilities, all of which are enhanced by our technology assets and our nationally recognized brand. This diversified strategy enables Loan Depot to grow from a de novo startup in 2010 to at one point become the second largest retail lender in the country. We are confident this strategy will win in today's highly fragmented market and are committed to profitably regaining shareholders. The key is execution and our team is laser focused on our plan. Our actions in the third quarter reflect this focus. In the third quarter we initiated a business transformation that included naming new leadership across all of our origination channels, Consumer Direct, retail and partnership lending as well as our in house servicing platform. We also transformed our technology and innovation functions under new leadership in our Consumer Direct channel, we realigned our sales leadership team to catalyze new sales strategies under our next generation lending initiatives. We also announced the formation of a revenue operations and strategy function to be led by our returning Chief Strategy Officer Rick Cali. On the marketing side, In October, our brand lit up on the national stage during the MLB post season which through the League Championship Series enjoy the highest viewership since 2017, including the ALCS and NLCS. Postseason viewership average 4 1/2 million views per game. Looking beyond the baseball season, loanDepot Park will soon host some of the biggest events in professional sports including the NHL Winter Classic and the World Baseball Classic, providing our brand with continued strong national exposure. In our retail and partnership channels, we announced new channel presidents Tom Fidler and Dan Pena respectively. Tom is reigniting the energy of our retail channel, emphasizing profitable organic growth and helping ensure our loan officers have access to the best in class products, tools and operations in the industry. Dan is doubling down on our commitment to providing value to our home builder partners, most recently leading a new relationship with Benton Bog Homes.. In September, we announced the addition of Adam Sob to lead our servicing business. Our servicing capabilities and portfolio of customers are key parts of our strategy, particularly the flywheel effect of recapturing our existing customers for refinancing or purchase and no additional acquisition cost. In terms of innovation, our Chief Digital Officer Don Marchetti and Chief Innovation Officer Shawn Degiulia, who rejoined the company in August, have already made an impact by introducing AI capabilities to some of our most repeatable and scalable call center functions, both improving performance and driving down cost. Right now, we are pivoting the use of new and emerging technologies across sales, operations and software engineering with an expectation that these innovations will improve the customer experience. While driving improved productivity and lower our cost of production. We are just scratching the surface of what this team can do. And last but certainly not least in terms of leadership talent, Just yesterday we announced Nicole Patel. as our Chief Growth Officer. She will be responsible for growth opportunities, acquisition activities and customer engagement, helping the company capitalize on AI disruption and accelerate our momentum. Nicole is a significant hire that brings a proven track record of success, deep fintech expertise and a strategic mindset, completing the company's leadership transformation. To recap, the third quarter was a period of significant change for our organization focused on establishing the leadership team that will execute our plan for profitable market share growth. We believe in our strategy and the positioning of our assets in this highly fragmented market. Our focus is on execution, which we look forward to sharing our progress along the way. With that, I will now turn the call over to Dave who will take us through our financial results in more detail.
David Hayes - Chief Financial Officer - (00:07:57)
David thanks Anthony and good afternoon everyone. The third quarter reflected the benefits of higher revenue and contained expense growth from positive operating leverage. We reported an adjusted net loss of $3 million in the third quarter compared to an adjusted net loss of $16 million in the second quarter of 2025 due primarily to higher loss volume, higher pull through weighted gain on sAIe margin, higher servicing revenue offset somewhat by higher expenses. During the third quarter pull through weighted rate lock volume was $7 billion, which represented a 10% increase from the prior quarter's volume of $6.3 billion. Pull through weighted rate lock volume came in within the guidance we issued last quarter of $5.25 billion to $7.25 billion and contributed to adjusted totAI revenue of $325 million, which compared to $292 million in the second quarter of 2025. Our pull through rated gain on sAIe margin for the third quarter came in at 339 basis points within our guidance range of 325 to 350 basis points and compared to 330 basis points in the prior quarter. Our higher gain on sAIe margin primarily reflected a channel mix shift with a higher contribution from our direct channel and a lower contribution from our joint venture channel and compared to the prior quarter, our loan origination volume was $6.5 billion for the quarter, a decrease of 3% from the prior quarter's volume of $6.7 billion. This was AIso within the guidance we issued last quarter of between $5 billion and $7 billion. Servicing fee income increased from $108 million in the second quarter of 2025 to $112 million in the third quarter of 2025 and primarily reflects the increase in our unpaid principAI bAIance of our servicing portfolio and interest earned on the seasonAI increase in custodiAI bAIances. We hedge our servicing portfolio so we do not record the full impact of the changes in fair vAIue and results of our operations. We believe this strategy helps protect against volatility in our earnings and liquidity. Our strategy for hedging the servicing portfolio is dynamic and we adjust our hedge positions in reaction to the changing interest rate environments. Our totAI expenses for the third quarter of 2025 increased by $19 million or 6% from the prior quarter. The primary drivers of the increase were due to one time benefits in sAIary in generAI and administrative expenses recognized in the prior quarter. RecAIl that during the second quarter sAIaries benefited from approximately $8 million in lower stock based compensation from equity surrenders and G&A benefit from $5 million insurance recovery of legAI fees related to the successful outcome of litigation. Excluding these non recurring items, our totAI expenses would have increased by approximately 2% demonstrating the positive operating leverage we are striving for as volumes and revenues increase. Looking ahead to the fourth quarter, we expect pull through rated lock volume of between $6 billion and $8 billion and origination volume of between $6.5 billion and $8.5 billion. We expect our third quarter pull through weighted gain on sAIe margin to be between 300 and 325 basis points. Our guidance reflects market volatility, seasonAIity in purchase volume, affordability and availability of new and resAIe homes and the level of mortgage interest rates. Our totAI expenses are expected to increase in the fourth quarter, primarily driven by higher volume related expenses from the increase in funded volume. As we close the pipeline that started growing through the third quarter, we remain laser focused on our commitment to profitability and continue to work with a discipline to grow revenue and manage costs while maintaining ample cash and a strong bAIance sheet. We ended the quarter with $459 million in cash, increasing by $51 million from the second quarter. With our reshaped management team focused on leveraging Loan Depot's unique collection of assets, high quAIity in house servicing, scAIable origination capabilities and operating leverage, we are positioned to profitably grow volume and market share in the current environment. Assuming a sustained decrease in mortgage rates, we believe we will materiAIly improve our bottom line as the benefits of our scAIed branded direct origination platform comes to bear. While our investments in technology enabled efficiency generating initiatives will provide the foundation for additionAI momentum into 2026 and beyond. With that, we're ready to turn it back over to the operator for Q and A Operator.
OPERATOR - (00:13:10)
As a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press Star followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question again, press star and 1. Your first question comes from the line of Doug Harter with UBS. Your line is open.
Doug Harter - Analyst at UBS - (00:13:28)
Thanks. I was hoping you could talk about Your outlook on the ability to fund the growth with capital given the upcoming debt maturities and kind of the upfront capital that some growth might take and just how you're thinking about that in the current environment.
David Hayes - Chief Financial Officer - (00:13:48)
Hi Doug, David Hayes. We feel really good about the opportunity to fund additional growth opportunities. Largely we've already worked our way through sort of our renewal season for warehouse lines. We've got a great lender group there that have been very supportive of the business. We also think there's opportunities to upsize as needed. So from the daily funding of the warehouse lines, we're in great shape. From our perspective, from you know, capital structure perspective, we do have an opportunity or the need to take a look at that capital structure, you know, in the coming 12 to 18 months and that's what we're focused on. But nothing that's really going to impact how we operate day to day as we sit now.
Anthony Hsieh - (00:14:30)
Yeah, hey Doug, it's Anthony Hsieh. Let me just add to what Dave is saying and that is, you know, once we return to the standard of operations that has led this organization since 2010, we're very confident that we'll be able to grow market share profitably. I just want to remind the audience that we started this company with $70 million of capital and have grown 38% year over year for the first 11 years of our life. So we understand what it takes to grow market share and grow profitably. This market is still highly fragmented. There is a ton of room chasing the leader in the space. So we're very enthusiastic and we are laser focused to stay on plan to get back into a standard of operations that allows us to be an industry leading mortgage bank. At which point the mortgage IQ here and the origination IQ here and then having a fully diversified origination muscle in both builder, joint venture in market, retail and direct lending. Direct to consumer model really gives us an edge to scale up, particularly as we all hope that there'll be some growth in volume due to a more favorable interest rate cycle next year.
Doug Harter - Analyst at UBS - (00:16:04)
Thanks for that. And I guess how do you think About the size of the MSR servicing book? You know, in that context, you know, is that something that you would look to regrow over time?
David Hayes - Chief Financial Officer - (00:16:18)
Yeah. This is one of our strategic advantages, Doug, the fact that we made an investment to bring servicing in house, my mind decides what that was five years ago. So we made that investment to bring it in house. Because having a direct to the consumer model, our retention recapture is at an industry leading number. So anytime we put a loan in our servicing portfolio, there's an opportunity for us to double dip or have a second bite of the apple without any marketing cost or acquisition cost. So our desire is to continue to mount and increase our MSRs, but at the same time, that is, that puts pressure on cash. So in order for us to do so, we're going to have to be able to drive down the cost of our production while waiting for the volume of this market to return.
Doug Harter - Analyst at UBS - (00:17:32)
Great. Thank you.
David Hayes - Chief Financial Officer - (00:17:35)
You're welcome.
OPERATOR - (00:17:37)
Again, if you would like to ask a question, press star and the number one on your telephone keypad. Your next question comes from the line of Eric Hagan with btig. Your line is open.
Eric Hagan - Analyst at BTIG - (00:17:49)
Hey, thanks. Hope you guys are well. Maybe following up on that last point because there's all these moving pieces, have you guys sensitized the portfolio to what the minimum level of originations might be in order to return to profitability?
David Hayes - Chief Financial Officer - (00:18:05)
So let me just make sure I understood your question right. Can you rephrase your question again please?
Eric Hagan - Analyst at BTIG - (00:18:12)
Have you guys sensitized the portfolio or your business to what the minimum level of originations would be in order to return to profitability?
David Hayes - Chief Financial Officer - (00:18:20)
Well, a lot of that has to do with margins. Margins are highly dynamic and in our industry, as soon as that volume returns and then your margins will widen out. So if you look at our Q3 performance, it doesn't take much. So not only does when margins return, when volumes return, we're going to get both the benefit of increased volume and increased margin. So it doesn't take much at all. So we are well positioned for any sort of return.
Eric Hagan - Analyst at BTIG - (00:19:01)
Okay, that's helpful. Hey, when the stock got up to $4.50 back in September, did you guys consider any sort of capital raising to help maybe stabilize the capital structure a little bit more? And then if the stock got back up to that level in the future, I mean, are you prepared to put an ATM in place or how would you think about potentially raising capital in order to again stabilize the capital structure a little bit more? Thank you.
David Hayes - Chief Financial Officer - (00:19:28)
Here it's David Hayes. So, yeah, of course when the stock traded up, the valuations were at those levels. It was obviously an attractive place to look at raising capital. So we're actively looking at all sorts of ways to shore up the capital structure from potential debt refinances down the road to opportunities for an ATM or follow on. But those discussions are in flight. So nothing we can share at this point?
Anthony Hsieh - (00:19:55)
Yeah, and I. It's Anthony Shea. So I mean the best way to, the best way to combat that is with. With profitable market share growth. We're just going to get back to our level of comfort and what we've done in this company since 2010. So the market is well positioned for loanDepot to continue to capture market share and we are obviously always looking at opportunities for capital. But as we continue to reposition our organization for increased originations, I think that will solve a lot of our issues going forward.
Eric Hagan - Analyst at BTIG - (00:20:46)
Yes, that's really helpful guys. Thank you so much.
David Hayes - Chief Financial Officer - (00:20:51)
Welcome.
OPERATOR - (00:20:54)
And once again, if you would like to ask a question, press star in the number one on your telephone keypad. There are no further questions at this time. I will turn the call back over to Anthony Shea for closing remarks.
Anthony Hsieh - (00:21:14)
Thank you. On behalf of Dave, Jeff, Don and the rest of our team, I want to thank you for joining us today. The pieces are in place. We're executing a bold strategy to compete at the highest levels by returning to our core strength. Our approach is centered on retaining top talent with exceptional attitudes, deploying leading edge technology and drive operational efficiency and innovation, delivering superior product and service levels to our customers and leveraging these assets to drive profitable market share growth. This is how we win. The disciplined focus positions us to create sustainable value for our shareholders while accelerating growth in a competitive landscape. So thanks again everybody and I appreciate your support.
OPERATOR - (00:22:02)
This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect.
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