OneSpaWorld Holdings reports record Q3 results, increases dividend by 25%
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OneSpaWorld Holdings achieves record Q3 revenues and adjusted EBITDA, raising guidance amid strong cash flow and strategic growth initiatives.


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  • OneSpaWorld Holdings reported record third quarter results, with total revenues increasing 7% year-over-year to $258.5 million and adjusted EBITDA growing 6% to $35 million.
  • The company introduced new health and wellness centers on four new ship builds and plans to add two more by the end of 2025, totaling eight new ship builds for the year.
  • OneSpaWorld Holdings continues to expand higher value services, including MedSpa and acupuncture, contributing to strong double-digit sales growth.
  • AI initiatives are underway to enhance revenue, operational efficiency, and automation, with machine learning projects being tested on 40 vessels and automation tools deployed on 180 vessels.
  • The company demonstrated strong cash flow, enabling share repurchases, debt reduction, and a 25% increase in its quarterly dividend to $0.05 per share.
  • Guidance for 2025 has been raised, with expected revenue growth in the high single digits and adjusted EBITDA growth of 10% at the midpoint of the guidance range.

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OPERATOR - (00:00:14)

Good day and welcome to the One Spa World third quarter 2025 earnings call. All participants will be in listen only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on a touch tone phone. To withdraw your question, please press Star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Allison Malkin of ICR. Please go ahead.

Allison Malkin - (00:00:51)

Thank you. Good morning and welcome to One Spa World's third quarter 2025 earnings call and webcast. Before we begin, I'd like to remind you that certain statements and information made available on today's webcast may be deemed to constitute forward looking statements. These forward looking statements reflect our judgment and analysis only as of today and actual results may differ materially from current expectations based on a number of factors affecting our business. Accordingly, you should not place undue reliance on these forward looking statements for a more thorough discussion of the risks and uncertainties associated with the forward looking statements to be made in this conference call and webcast, we refer you the disclaimer regarding forward looking statements that is included in our third quarter 2025 earnings release which was furnished to the SEC today on Form 8-K. We do not undertake any obligation to update or alter any forward looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. In addition, the Company may refer to certain adjusted non-GAAP metrics on this call. An explanation of these metrics can be found in our earnings release issued earlier this morning. Joining me today are Leonard Fluxman, Executive Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Steven Lazarus, President, Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer. Leonard will begin with a review of our third quarter 2025 performance and provide an update on our key priorities. Then Stephen will provide more details on the financials and guidance. Following our prepared remarks, we will turn the call over to the operator to begin the question and answer portion of the call. I now like to turn the call over to Leonard.

Leonard Fluxman - Executive Chairman and Chief Executive Officer - (00:02:52)

Thank you, Alison. Good morning and welcome to One Spa World's third quarter 2025 earnings conference call. It's a pleasure to speak with you all today to share our record third quarter results which were delivered at the high end of guidance marking our 18th consecutive quarterly period of year over year growth in total revenues and adjusted EBITDA. Our sustained rates of growth demonstrates the power of our complex global operating platform and our team's unwavering commitment to deliver exceptional experiences for our guests. And outstanding performance for our cruise line and destination resort partners. In addition, our execution of our asset light business model continues to generate strong free cash flow, enabling us to create significant value for shareholders through an increasing quarterly dividend share repurchases, accelerated debt paydown and strategic investments across our operations. Turning now to the highlights of the quarter, total revenues, income from operations and adjusted EBITDA represented all time records and net income was a third quarter record. Total revenues increased 7% to $258.5 million compared to $241.7 million in the third quarter of 2024. Income from operations increased 5% to $26.3 million compared to $25 million in the third quarter of 2024. Net income increased 13% to $24.3 million compared to $21.6 million in the third quarter of 2024 and adjusted EBITDA increased 6% to 35 million compared to 33 million in the third quarter of 2024 dot at quarter end, we operated health and Wellness centers on 204 Ships with an average ship count of 199 for the quarter. This compares with a total of 196 Ships and an average ship count of 195 Ships at the end of the third quarter of fiscal 2024. Also at year end, at quarter end, Sorry, we had 4,466 cruise ship personnel on vessels compared with 4,204 cruise ship personnel and vessels at the end of the third quarter of fiscal 2024. The quarter marked meaningful progress in our key priorities. Let me share some of those highlights. First, we captured highly visible new ship growth with current cruise line partners. We continue to solidify our market leadership during the quarter, introducing new health and wellness centers on board. Four new ship builds during the quarter Royal Caribbean, Star of the Seas, Virgin, Brilliant Lady, Princess Cruises, Star Princess and Celebrity xl. For the year, we remain on track to introduce health and wellness centers onto two additional new ships builds commencing voyages in the fourth quarter giving us a total of eight new ship builds in 2025. Second, we continue to expand higher value services and products. These higher value services, including MedSpa IV therapy and Acupuncture to name a few, helped to grow sales productivity with strong double digit increases in the quarter. We continue to introduce these services to more ships and expand offerings with the latest innovations and in adding to our growth. In addition, we continue to elevate the innovation in our Medispa services with the expansion of our rollout of next generation technology with the Marge FX and CoolSculpting Elite which offer improved results and reduced treatment time by up to 50%. These new technologies generated between 40 and 60% growth for these treatments in Q3 versus last year. In addition, acupuncture remains in high demand with equally strong growth rates. The adoption of LED light therapy within this service remains a high conversion add on treatment at quarter end MediSpas services were available on 150 ships up from 144 ships at the end of the third quarter last year. We continue to expect to have MIDI SPA offerings on 151 shifts this year. Third, we focused on enhancing health and wellness center productivity. This is best reflected in the delivery of across the board increases in key operating metrics including revenue per passenger per day, weekly revenue pre cruise revenue and revenue per staff per day. Without a doubt, our unsurpassed ability to identify onboard and retained staff is leading to this performance. In fact, staff retention remains a key contributor to our consistent gains in operating metrics as experienced team members are driving incremental revenue through more effective customer recommendations. The quarter saw a five point increase in staff retention versus Q3 2024 with experienced staff generating significantly higher revenue per day versus first contract staff. We continue to take pride in being a desired employer and strive to create an environment that fosters retention. In addition, we continue to invest in best in class training and have recently redesigned our talent management processes to further support productivity and long term growth in our operating metrics across all of our staff members. Our enhanced sales training continues to fuel increases in number of guests using the spa service frequency, service spend and retail and average guest spend per guest. Fourth, we possess a strong and durable balance sheet which combined with our ongoing successful growth enabled us to advance each of our capital allocation objectives in the quarter. These are to invest in future growth, return value to our shareholders and reduce debt. To this point in the third quarter we were active on our stock buyback. We paid our quarterly dividend and reduced outstanding debt. Additionally, as Stephen will share, the board approved a 25% increase in our quarterly dividend payment to $0.05 per share which reflects our company's consistent after tax free cash flow generation and positive long term growth prospects. As we close out the year, we remain confident in our outlook with our business continuing its favorable momentum at the start of the fourth quarter. In addition to the introduction of two new health and wellness centers beginning voyages through year end, we are also excited by developing initiatives employing emerging AI technologies to enhance our unique global positioning toward delivering increasing exceptional experiences for our guests. Service to our partners. We believe this, along with the continued discipline with which we execute our asset light business model positions us well to deliver strong results for our stakeholders and shareholders in the near and long term. As Stephen will share momentarily, we have increased our 2025 guidance at the midpoint of our previous ranges for annual revenue and adjusted EBITDA. With that, I will turn the call over to Stephen who will provide more details on our third quarter results and guidance. Stephen.

Steven Lazarus - President, Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer - (00:10:39)

Thank you Leonard Good morning everyone. We are pleased with our third quarter performance which included record results in total revenue and adjusted EBITDA and continued strong and predictable cash flow generation. We continue to expand our innovation products and services and leverage our strong operating platform and technology enhancements to deliver strong revenue and profit growth while employing our balanced capital allocation strategy to reduce capital to shareholders fueled by our strong cash flow generation driven by our capital efficient asset light business model that generates predictable strong free cash flow. We returned $4.1 million to our shareholders through our quarterly dividend payment and $17.6 million from the repurchase of 816,000 common shares during the quarter while repaying $11.3 million on our term loan facility. Also, reflecting our positive long term outlook, we opportunistically returned an additional $15 million to our shareholders from the repurchase of an additional 722,000 common shares thus far in the fourth quarter and our board approved a 25% increase in our quarterly dividend payment to 5 cents per share. Before I provide details on our third quarter results, I would like to provide additional perspective on our AI initiatives. These initiatives are expected to deliver measurable improvements across key areas of our business with actions in place to enhance revenue, create operational efficiencies to drive greater profitability as we grow while increasing the speed of our decision making through automation and streamlining of our business processes. Here are some highlights of each initiative. First, as it relates to revenue enhancement, we have implemented a machine learning powered project designed to optimize yield and revenue which is actively being tested on 40 vessels. By leveraging advanced recommendations and algorithmic optimization, this initiative aims to unlock additional revenue by optimizing utilization. Second, operational efficiency. In this regard, we are seeing early success with our Automated Problem Resolution and Inquiry tool which has now been deployed across 180 vessels. This technology has led to dramatic improvements in response times and reduced the need for help desk hours. Third, automation and Streamlining, which is part of our broader efficiency initiative to continue to explore and develop automation solutions to reduce manual work and streamline operations. Although still in the early stages. These efforts are expected to enhance productivity and operational scalability over time and are expected to further increase our key operating metrics. Overall, our AI initiatives demonstrate our commitment to leveraging cutting edge technology to strengthen our market position and deliver value to our shareholders. Turning now to a review of the fourth quarter third quarter in total for the third quarter total revenue increased 7% to $258.5 million compared to 241.7 million for the third quarter of 2024. The increase in service revenue and product revenues were driven by a 4% increase in average guest spend, fleet expansion due to 2025 new builds and a 1% increase in revenue days which positively impacted revenues by 6.8 million and 3.2 million respectively. Contributing to the increased volume and spend was 2.7 million in increased pre booked revenue at health and wellness centres on board and this was offset by a $1 million decrease in our destination resort revenue partially due to the closure of hotels where we had previously operated. Cost of services increased $12.5 million attributable to the 13.6 million DOL in service revenue compared to the third quarter of 2024. Service margin was a healthy 17.3% up versus both the first and second quarter of 2025, but marginally below the same quarter year ago simply due to mix. Cost of product increased $2.7 million attributable to the $3.2 million increase in product revenue. Salary, benefits and Payroll taxes were $8.4 million compared to $8.6 million in the quarter prior year. Net income was 24.3 million or net income per diluted share of 23 cents compared to net income of 21.6 million or net income per diluted share Of 20 cents for the third quarter of 2024. The change was primarily attributable to a $1.3 million increase in income from operations and a benefit from a $1.1 million decrease in net interest expense. The $1.1 million decrease in Net interest expense was primarily due to lower debt balances and lower effective interest rates. Adjusted net income was $30.4 million or adjusted net income per diluted share of 29 cents as compared to adjusted net income of $27.3 million or adjusted net income per diluted Share of 26 cents for the third quarter of 2024 and adjusted EBITDA was $35 million, an improvement from $33 million in the third quarter of 2024. Moving on to the Balance Sheet we continue to possess a strong balance sheet at quarter end with total cash of $30.8 million after giving effect to the repayment of $11.3 million in debt, repurchasing 17.6 million of common shares and paying $4.1 million in support of our quarterly dividend. In addition, we had full availability of our $50 million revolving line facility giving us total liquidity of $80.8 million as of September 30, 2025. Total debt was $85.2 million at September 30, 2025 compared to $98.6 million at December 31, 2024. Also at quarter end we had $57.4 million remaining on our $75 million share repurchase authorization and post quarter end we repurchased an additional 722,000 outstanding common shares, returning another $15 million to shareholders. Therefore, as of today we have $42.4 million remaining on that $75 million share repurchase program. We continue to expect the disciplined execution of our growth initiatives and strong cash flow generation driven by our Asset Light business model to enable the payment of ongoing quarterly dividends while evaluating opportunities to repurchase our shares and retire debt. We believe this positions us well to create long term value for our shareholders. Turning now to Guidance as we look ahead, we are excited about our business and continue to expect total revenue for fiscal 2025 to increase in the high single digit range reflecting our strong year to date performance and our positive outlook as well as the addition of two new health and wellness centers on cruise ships beginning voyages during the fourth quarter. Adjusted EBITDA is now expected to increase by 10% at the midpoint of our guidance range as we deliver increasing productivity from our enhanced products and services. For the full fiscal year 2025 we expect total revenue in the range of 960 to $965 million which represents an increase of 8% at the midpoint versus fiscal year 2024 and adjusted EBITDA is expected in the range of 122 to 100 $2024 million which represents an increase at the midpoint of 10% versus fiscal 2024. For the fourth quarter of 2025 we expect total revenue in the Range of 241 to $246 million and adjusted EBITDA is Expected in the range of 30 to $32 million and with that we will open up the call for questions. Bailey, if you could please do that.

OPERATOR - (00:20:05)

We will now begin the question and answer Session. To ask a question, you may press Star then one on your touchtone phone. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw the question, please press star then two. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow up. @ this time. We will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question comes from Steve Wiszinski with Stifel. Please go ahead.

Steve Wiszinski - Equity Analyst - (00:20:53)

Hey guys. Good morning. So Leonard or Steven, wondering about how we should think about the benefits from some of this AI technology you guys have been implementing. And what I mean by that is if we look at margins, in the second quarter they were up about 70 basis points year over year and in the third quarter they were down about 20 basis points. So not sure if you can help us think about maybe the cadence of how margin expansion or contraction should look moving forward as you kind of go through and implement some of this technology.

Steven Lazarus - President, Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer - (00:21:35)

Steve, good morning. So as we talked about last quarter when we started talking about some of these initiatives we mentioned then, and we continue to say today that it's likely the second quarter of next year when we start to become more specific about one of the what those expected improvements will be. We are encouraged with what we see thus far, but frankly it's just too early to commit to specific increments, etc. But we hope to be able to do that by the second quarter of next year.

Steve Wiszinski - Equity Analyst - (00:22:09)

So as we think about the fourth quarter and the first quarter, basically, you know, assume nothing is in there. Correct.

Steven Lazarus - President, Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer - (00:22:18)

That would be a good assumption to assume that it's consistent with the cadence that it's been tracking at and then improvements thereafter.

Steve Wiszinski - Equity Analyst - (00:22:25)

Okay, and then Leonard, I don't know if this is for you or still Stephen, but want to understand maybe spend patterns a little bit more on board. Maybe you could give us some more color on what you're seeing more so in real time in terms of guest spending, guest spending and wondering if you've seen any changes through October, whether that's, you know, through attachment rates, you know, a difference in spending across land based versus maritime or really any kind of change in demand, you know, for higher end services versus traditional treatments. Just you're just trying to understand, get a feel if guests are starting to, you know, to change their behaviors, you know, at all.

Leonard Fluxman - Executive Chairman and Chief Executive Officer - (00:23:07)

Yeah Steve, I tell you, you know, our PPDs, our revenue per passenger per day, everything's positive. The spends up, attachment rates are consistently good pre cruise revenue consistently staying strong. I mean we have not seen any kind of material reduction in spend. I mean, you know, we also look at what we're deploying in terms of marketing tools, discount rates, additional incentives, and it's very consistent with what we've seen over the past few quarters. So in short, we haven't seen anything materially change for our business so far.

Steve Wiszinski - Equity Analyst - (00:23:47)

Okay, fair enough. Thanks guys. Appreciate it.

Steven Lazarus - President, Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer - (00:23:50)

Yep, thanks, Steve.

OPERATOR - (00:23:56)

Our next question comes from Sharon Zakfia with William Blair. Please go ahead.

Sharon Zakfia - Equity Analyst - (00:24:02)

Hi, good morning. I think you mentioned that service margin was down a little bit on mix. Could you kind of clarify what, what's happening with the mix?

Steven Lazarus - President, Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer - (00:24:14)

Yes, it's really just a function, Sharon, of where which cruise lines are generating slightly different revenue and the agreements that we have with those cruise lines. It's not something that was necessarily unexpected to us and nor is it something that we think based upon what we're seeing in October flows through into October. So we would expect to see margins continue to be strong. And as you know. Right. I mean, 17.3% was very healthy. That was versus 2Q16.6 and 1Q17. So I think we should focus on the positive there, which is that it is higher than both of those quarters, although just marginally down versus the third quarter of prior year.

Sharon Zakfia - Equity Analyst - (00:25:02)

Yeah, I just wanted to clarify that you weren't seeing passengers kind of ship down into kind of lower price point services. But it sounds like it's ship mix, not necessarily the actual service mix.

Steven Lazarus - President, Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer - (00:25:16)

We're definitely not seeing them shift out. And remember, our model provides us with a degree of insulation in that we're only servicing a small proportion of the customers on board. To the extent that those customers that want to spend money enjoy their vacation and experience the spa, we're still absolutely seeing that.

Sharon Zakfia - Equity Analyst - (00:25:35)

Great. And then I wanted to ask a follow up. We've been getting a lot of questions on the global minimum tax. Can you kind of talk about one spa world and how or if you will be impacted by that beginning next year?

Steven Lazarus - President, Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer - (00:25:51)

Our expectation remains that we will not be impacted. We are still finalizing and are very deep in the process of doing some reorganizational changes to make sure that that happens. But upon successful implementation of those changes at this point in time, we continue to believe that we would not be impacted by global minimum income taxes.

Sharon Zakfia - Equity Analyst - (00:26:20)

Great, thank you.

Steven Lazarus - President, Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer - (00:26:24)

Thank you.

OPERATOR - (00:26:27)

Our next question comes from Max Rocklenko with TD Cohen. Please go ahead.

Max Rocklenko - Equity Analyst - (00:26:34)

Yeah, thanks a lot. Nice job in the quarter. So first question, in the release you noted that you saw a noteworthy increase in guest counts frequency as well as Average spend. Just what do you attribute that to? And then is there a way to think about the magnitude of the step up that you may be seeing?

Leonard Fluxman - Executive Chairman and Chief Executive Officer - (00:26:59)

Say that again, Max. We saw an increase in traffic, which is the amount of passengers we saw, which is a function of some of the newer ships coming into service in the fourth quarter, obviously. And then the penetration rate actually moved up positively as well from the second quarter. So that just meant we were getting more of that traffic on the ships into the spas. And the penetration rate increased moderately, which is a good sign. But we're also focusing the staff on facility utilization, as we mentioned on our last call last quarter, which is how do we better utilize not only our staff, but the facilities themselves on sea days, port days, what we can do to take in tri trained staff to fill in the gaps and get better utilization. So where we see the demand remaining high, we see the utilization maxed out. We will go to the cruise lines and have a discussion not just on real estate, but more importantly on getting an extra berth, which is never an easy discussion, but something that sometimes yields an increase. And if it does, obviously, and we show them where the demand comes from, it would be a great thing to have. So now we have the data to support the facility utilization. And as I mentioned before, it's a metric that we will produce at some point in the future, probably at the end of second quarter next year, but it's something that we're focusing on internally to improve that metric itself.

Max Rocklenko - Equity Analyst - (00:28:30)

Got it. That's really helpful. And then Stephen, how are you thinking about the right level of cash to hold on the balance sheet in the context of likely continued declines in interest rates? Should we assume that you're going to put more cash to work as what we saw both in three Q and quarter to date, or what's the plan ahead?

Steven Lazarus - President, Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer - (00:28:56)

We'll continue to have a balanced capital allocation strategy. We like to keep 25 or so million dollars of cash on the balance sheet, but as you know, we do have a $50 million availability on the line of credit. And so I think the way we think about it is continued opt of the capital allocation strategy for the near term share repurchases would remain at the top of that, on the top of the list. Opportunistically though it's not programmatic. Then the dividends, which as you know, we increased by 25% now to five pennies a quarter. And then if it makes sense, we'll pay down a little bit more of the debt or more over time, but that's the order of prioritization.

Max Rocklenko - Equity Analyst - (00:29:46)

Got it. That's helpful. Thanks a lot and good luck in the fourth quarter.

Steven Lazarus - President, Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer - (00:29:52)

Thank you, Max.

Max Rocklenko - Equity Analyst - (00:29:54)

Thanks, Mike.

OPERATOR - (00:29:56)

Our next question comes from Gregory Miller with Truist. Please go ahead.

Gregory Miller - Equity Analyst - (00:30:02)

Thanks. Good morning. I thought I'd start off on a question on staffing. You mentioned in the prepared remarks that you redesigned the talent management process. Could you elaborate on the kind of changes you're implementing?

Leonard Fluxman - Executive Chairman and Chief Executive Officer - (00:30:19)

Yeah. So we're focusing clearly, obviously around solution selling. We're putting people into different modalities and not just sort of pinning them to one modality. So there's much more of a shared philosophy around where staff can be used where before they'd be only used for one type of modality, which is allowing us, as I mentioned before, Greg, to get the better utilization out of our facilities. So the focus is not limiting staff just to one type of service. Where before we thought that might have maxed out the benefits of each of them just specializing. We see that it's better to use them across different modalities. So enhancing our facility utilization overhaul.

Gregory Miller - Equity Analyst - (00:31:06)

Thanks. Then I'd like to shift over to the AI front. If I heard correctly, the revenue enhancement projects are on 40 vessels, which is an impressive ramp up already compared to the piloting you were doing previously. But if I heard correctly, the operating efficiencies have been launched on 180 vessels so far. So I'm curious what's driving the disconnect of more focus at this stage on the AI implementation on the operating efficiency side versus the revenue enhancement side?

Leonard Fluxman - Executive Chairman and Chief Executive Officer - (00:31:43)

It's not a matter of more focus, Greg. It's a matter of the simplicity of rolling out one versus the other. The revenue enhancement has more complexity and requires specific training for the managers on board, whereas the operational efficiency is rolling out apps which are much simpler and can be shown how to use much more easily. So it's simply a matter of what is easiest to be done.

Gregory Miller - Equity Analyst - (00:32:13)

Okay, I appreciate it. Thank you both.

Leonard Fluxman - Executive Chairman and Chief Executive Officer - (00:32:17)

Thanks.

OPERATOR - (00:32:23)

Our next question comes from Drew May with North Coast Research. Please go ahead.

Drew May - Equity Analyst - (00:32:31)

Hey, good morning everyone. Thanks for taking my question. So a little bit of a calmer than expected hurricane season this year, but one saw a little more itinerary changes and extra sea days. Was there any, you know, tangible headwind or benefit you guys call out from storm activity during the quarter?

Leonard Fluxman - Executive Chairman and Chief Executive Officer - (00:32:50)

No, nothing tangible or material truth.

Drew May - Equity Analyst - (00:32:54)

Okay, got it. And then next question was there's a little bit of a step up in the capex this quarter. Was that kind of related to the AI initiatives or is there anything else you Guys could call out there.

Steven Lazarus - President, Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer - (00:33:06)

No, those are related to the AI initiatives. We have talked about Capex being at a slightly elevated rate this year and potentially next year as well as we make investments in those projects. So that was a big piece of it. There was a smaller piece related to rolling out some of this additional Medispa equipment on board, but the majority is related to these projects.

Drew May - Equity Analyst - (00:33:30)

Got it. Thank you.

Steven Lazarus - President, Chief Operating Officer and Chief Financial Officer - (00:33:33)

Thank you.

OPERATOR - (00:33:37)

Our next question comes from Asia Georgiava with NBT Research. Please go ahead.

Asia Georgiava - Equity Analyst - (00:33:45)

Good morning, guys. Leonard, I wanted to follow up on your comment about adding an extra berth. I imagine with adding more staff we might see the productivity metric come down in Q2, but that would be because of the structural change as opposed to actual productivity coming down. Is that fair? Just wanted to clarify.

Leonard Fluxman - Executive Chairman and Chief Executive Officer - (00:34:09)

Yeah, it should not depress that metric. The only reason we would go to a cruise line and ask for an increased berth would be because we're not getting to the right level of penetration or productivity that we could if we had that staff member. So it would be purely accretive if we added it, not for the sake of just having it.

Asia Georgiava - Equity Analyst - (00:34:33)

Correct. And again, I was trying to understand. So I don't overly focus on the metric and I understand having more bodies obviously would be helpful to the overall revenue generation and penetration rates. My second question is some of your banners seem to be making sort of a deployment shift, not only in 2026, I imagine it will be in 27 and beyond to shorter voyages, including in Europe and the shift to more ships in the Caribbean and the Bahamas and also shorter voyages there. It seems that shorter voyages typically are a good thing for you. Is that the correct interpretation still?

Leonard Fluxman - Executive Chairman and Chief Executive Officer - (00:35:22)

They always have been, you know, they've always been very decent and we try and look at 3, 4 as a 7. So we stagger it that way, we market it that way. We know on the four day we've got a little bit extra time. So even though it's separate cruises, we try and structure that for the high demand periods or the at sea period. So yeah, I wouldn't say there's a material difference today than it was before. They still prove out to be quite decent for us. Yeah.

Asia Georgiava - Equity Analyst - (00:35:53)

So you don't see any net net impact at this point?

Leonard Fluxman - Executive Chairman and Chief Executive Officer - (00:35:57)

Not really, no. Haven't seen anything so far. Nor do we expect to see anything material.

Asia Georgiava - Equity Analyst - (00:36:05)

And sort of related to that. With the further development of private island destinations, is that an opportunity to further build out your infrastructure on these private islands? Basically the marquee ones? Can you discuss that a little bit?

Leonard Fluxman - Executive Chairman and Chief Executive Officer - (00:36:26)

Yeah, no, we Definitely are looking at it very seriously. We're talking to one or two of the banners who have additional islands that they're building out. I think there's an opportunity for us to do something alongside them. I think with existing operations, we're looking at where we can add or improve the facilities on some of the older sort of islands. So we think there's tremendous opportunity for us to participate more so in, you know, when these, these ships are calling at these fantastic, you know, slots in the islands, Mexico for Royal Caribbean. I mean, all of them have a very nice island experience today and some are enhancing it as you've seen with NCL and others. Royal announcing, you know, Santorini yesterday. I mean, it's just very exciting because you see they're combining both a land and sea vacation, you know, and are meeting that expectation very well.

Asia Georgiava - Equity Analyst - (00:37:25)

Really sounded really good when I heard that yesterday. So yeah, it did catch my attention. And lastly, and I'll let you go, in terms of pre booked services, has that rate moved? I know it has been difficult sometimes to be fully integrated within the Banner's internal pre booking engine, but they themselves seem to be doing a great job of increasing penetration and I'm hoping that you're benefiting from that as well. Is that the case?

Leonard Fluxman - Executive Chairman and Chief Executive Officer - (00:37:59)

Well, I think it's encouraging certainly that pre booking is getting mentioned on particularly yesterday's call. I think they mentioned that it's close to 50% and continues to grow. For us it's a high focus item. We talk about it in all of our business reviews. We have some initiatives that we're looking at in terms of AI for next year to help enhance the pre book. So I think for us there's equally as strong a focus on the pre book because we know they spend up to 30% more than somebody who doesn't pre book. And I think pre booking is just going to continue to get stronger, not only for the cruise lines, but for us as well over time.

Asia Georgiava - Equity Analyst - (00:38:39)

What is your current rate roughly, if you don't mind sharing.

Leonard Fluxman - Executive Chairman and Chief Executive Officer - (00:38:44)

About 22% of service revenue, which excludes Medispa.

Asia Georgiava - Equity Analyst - (00:38:49)

Okay, great. Thank you so much. I appreciate it.

Leonard Fluxman - Executive Chairman and Chief Executive Officer - (00:38:53)

Yeah, sure, thanks.

OPERATOR - (00:39:01)

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Leonard Flexman, Executive Chairman and CEO.

Leonard Fluxman - Executive Chairman and Chief Executive Officer - (00:39:12)

Right, thank you all for joining us today. We look forward to speaking with many of you at our upcoming investor conferences meetings and when we report our fourth quarter results in February. Thanks everybody. Have a good one.

OPERATOR - (00:39:26)

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.

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