Broadstone Net Lease raises guidance on strong Q3 results and strategic pipeline
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Broadstone Net Lease reports 5.7% AFFO growth, raises 2025 guidance amid robust acquisition pipeline and successful tenant resolutions.


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  • Broadstone Net Lease reported a strong third quarter with investments totaling $204 million in acquisitions and development projects, and a 5.7% increase in AFFO per share compared to Q3 2024.
  • The company raised its full-year 2025 guidance for AFFO per share to $1.49-$1.50, indicating growth between 4.2% and 4.9% for the year.
  • Broadstone Net Lease's Build to Suit program is maturing with a $374.6 million pipeline, achieving yields of 7.5% on initial cash capitalization and 8.9% on a straight-line basis.
  • The company successfully resolved tenant issues with At Home and Claire's, with no bad debt incurred, and collected 100% of its rents during the quarter.
  • A $350 million public offering of 5% senior unsecured notes was completed, indicating strong demand with nearly seven times oversubscription.
  • Management highlighted a robust acquisition pipeline with over two-thirds of deals sourced through direct relationships, maintaining a focus on strategic growth and capital recycling.

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Elliot - Operator - (00:00:59)

Hello and welcome to Broadstone Net Lease third quarter 2025 earnings conference call. My name is Elliot and I will be your operator today. Please note that today's call is being recorded. I'll now turn the call over to Brent Meadle, Director of Corporate Finance and Investor Relations at Broadstone. Brent, please go ahead.

Brent Meadle - Director of Corporate Finance and Investor Relations - (00:01:19)

Thank you everyone for joining us today for Broadstone Net Lease's third quarter 2025 earnings call. On today's call, you will hear prepared remarks from Chief Executive Officer John Morana, President and Chief Operating Officer Ryan Albano, and Chief Financial Officer Kevin Fennell. All three will be available for the Q and a portion of this call. As a reminder, the following discussion and answers to your questions contain forward looking statements which are subject to risks and uncertainties that can cause actual results to differ materially due to a variety of factors. We caution you not to place undue reliance on these forward looking statements. For a more detailed discussion of risk factors that may cause such differences, please Refer to our SEC filings, including our Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2024 and our Form 10-Q for the quarter ended March 31, 2025. And note that such risk factors may be updated in our quarterly SEC filings. Any forward looking statements provided during this conference call are only made as of the day of this call. With that, I'll turn the call over to John.

John Morana - Chief Executive Officer - (00:02:25)

Thank you Brent and good morning everyone. To start, I would like to thank everyone who joined or listened to our second quarter's earnings call. It was an important one for BNL and my prepared remarks were certainly longer than usual, but there were important messages I felt needed to be conveyed and I appreciate the positive feedback it received given our lengthier remarks last time and our upcoming Investor Day on December 2. Our prepared remarks for this quarter are intentionally briefer. I'm excited to announce another strong quarter of results that reflect the continued success of our differentiated growth strategy as well. As the deep expertise and strategic acumen of our team. We have consistently operated in a way that should answer any questions investors have. About this team, our strategy, or our Ability to deliver attractive long term value for our shareholders. We are proud of what we have accomplished so far, but are no less determined to push BNL even higher this quarter. We invested 204 million in an attractive pipeline of accretive acquisitions and development projects, collected 100% of our rents, resolved both the At Home and Claire's situations, with all leases assumed and no bad debt incurred from either, and secured 1.2% sequential quarterly growth in contractual rental obligations, which helped drive a 5.7% increase in quarterly AFFO per share when compared against the third quarter of 2024. As a result of our strong execution and as you saw in our release last night, we are raising our full year 2025 guidance to $1.49 to $1.50 of AFFO representing 4.2% to 4.9% growth for the year. On a year to date basis we have invested 552.6 million, including approximately 353.4 million in new property acquisitions, 150.2 million in build to suit developments, 40.7 million in transitional capital and 8.3 million in revenue generating capital expenditures. We are securing accretive yields in both our regular way acquisitions and and in our Build to Suit pipeline for our new property acquisitions. In the third quarter, the weighted average initial cash capitalization rate was 7.1% and with strong lease terms and top tier annual rent increases, we are achieving a weighted average straight line yield on those acquisitions of 8.2%. The estimated returns in our Build to Suit pipeline are even better standing at 7.5% on an initial cash capitalization rate basis and 8.9% on a straight line basis. Our Build to Suit program continues to mature, providing us with long term high quality de risked value creating growth that, as you've heard me say repeatedly, provides insight into our portfolio's embedded AFFO growth profile not only in the current year, but for several years into the future. We have started seven different build to suit developments so far in 2025 with budgeted deployment of 256.7 million. In addition we we have multiple new projects under executed letters of intent and have invested approximately 41 million in the form of transitional capital yielding 7.8% on the first two phases of an exciting prospective development project. You will hear more about from Ryan in a moment. With the third and fourth phases scheduled to close in the next couple of weeks for an additional approximately 44 million, we are also seeing a host of attractive opportunities in our Build a Suit pipeline that gives us lots of confidence heading into the end of the year and the first half of 2026. Taking all that together, we are well on our way to hitting our $500 million goal for 2025, setting us up for continued success in 2026 and beyond. Looking ahead, we believe our industrial focused strategy and differentiated Build to Suit program will provide us with a substantial platform for attractive growth due to several long term trends and favorable market dynamics E. Commerce remains a steady tailwind with continued. Investment in distribution and logistics assets geographically focused on major logistics hubs like Dallas, Fort Worth, Atlanta, Chicago as well as the Northeast, all of which are reflected in our growing pipeline of industrial build to suits. On the manufacturing side, reshoring continues to pick up momentum and we are seeing more opportunities resulting from this trend both in our investment pipeline and as well as our existing portfolio. Reshoring should also have beneficial knock on effects for us as those investments will drive additional demand for logistics and distribution facilities nearby. We feel good about where we are headed and believe we are well positioned to take advantage of the value creating. Opportunities our strategy provides and this team. Produces Turning to the Capital Markets this past quarter saw our successful return to the investment grade bond market as we completed a public offering of 350 million of 5% senior unsecured notes due in 2032 and nearly seven times oversubscribed. This execution and our results provide further validation of the strength of this company. And the appeal of this strategy. On the equity front, we continue to evaluate issuing new shares versus accretive capital recycling opportunities to support our growth plans. With the last couple of days aside, with solid price appreciation this year, our. Shares are trading at more constructive levels. Reflecting both improved market sentiment about BNL and growing investor confidence in our long term strategy. Recent share price appreciation paired with a strong investment pipeline and supportive debt capital. Markets may facilitate more activity for us in the equity capital markets, likely through. Tapping into our available ATM capacity. At the same time, we remain focused on maintaining rigorous discipline around our cost of capital to ensure that any new investments or capital raises are accretive to shareholder value. We will continue to evaluate opportunistic dispositions where we can recycle capital from mature or non core assets into accretive investment opportunities that align with our strategic priorities. Our build to suit assets are an important part of this balanced approach. We can either choose to hold these quality assets as more traditional long term net lease investments or monetize them at attractive stabilized valuations. Once completed, we target a spread between our development yield and stabilized value of more than 100 basis points representing an additional layer of value creation, a rarity in the net lease world that we expect to recognize either in the form of nav accretion or through positive capital recycling upon a sale of the asset. I believe that balancing proactive equity capital markets activity with prudent capital recycling through opportunistic dispositions will position us well to enhance our portfolio quality, strengthen our balance sheet and drive sustainable long term returns for our shareholders. We have come a long way since. This management team was put in place. We have delivered total shareholder return of more than 30% since the beginning of 2023, placing us in the top tier of the net lease space. Over that time and year to date we've delivered total shareholder return of nearly 20%. These are incredible returns and reflect a lot of hard work and the value. That this team delivers. Despite those returns, however, we still trade below average on an earnings multiple basis. So to put it plainly, we believe there's still a lot of share price valuation upside, built into Broadstone Net Lease and we look forward to capturing that upside and delivering on the promise of this team, this strategy and this portfolio in the coming quarters and years. With that, I will turn the call over to Ryan for more information on our investment pipeline strategy and in place portfolio performance.

Ryan Albano - President and Chief Operating Officer - (00:09:42)

Thanks John and thank you all for joining us today. I'm going to start with our Build to Suit pipeline and Differentiated Investment strategy. Since our inaugural Build to Suit for UNFI reached stabilization In September of 2024, we have continued to scale our Build to Suit pipeline through both existing and new relationships, having started 10 new projects with an aggregate estimated investment of $374.6 million as of today, our active committed Build to Suit pipeline will deliver approximately $28 million additional ABR between Q4 of this year and through the end of 2026, representing 6.7% growth in our current ABR. Our aid in process developments, which range in size and scale and encompass both industrial and retail projects, comprise an estimated total project investment of $370.9 million and have strong weighted average estimated initial yield of 7.5% and a fantastic weighted average estimated straight line yield of 8.9% driven by weighted average lease term and rent increases of approximately 13.1 years and 2.9% respectively. These assets provide long term high quality de risk and value creating growth that is unique in that lease space. In a competitive and higher interest rate environment where cap rates are under pressure, we believe our Build to Suit strategy provides us with a compelling competitive edge. You have heard this from us before, but it bears repeating. Our Build to Suit program gives us access to high quality tenant and developer relationships, superior yield generation, meaningful value creation, long term income stability, higher quality and newly constructed buildings, and better overall real estate fundamentals. When you consider all of this together it should be easy to see why we have such a high degree of confidence and in the long term value of these assets and the added flexibility they provide. This past quarter we also made an additional $17.9 million investment in the form of transitional capital through a preferred equity investment in a consolidated joint venture that has acquired fully entitled land designated for industrial development. This additional investment was for the second phase of this project, bringing our total investment to date to approximately 41 million. We acquired the first phase in June and are scheduled to acquire the final two phases in the next couple of weeks, which will bring our total investment to approximately $85 million. This large industrial development is located in northeastern Pennsylvania and comprises more than 500 acres of developable land. The Eastern Pennsylvania industrial market is experiencing robust demand with over 100 active tenants seeking more than 30 million square feet of space for requirements of 250,000 square feet and larger, particularly in Northeast Pennsylvania where historical and under construction pipelines remain active, underscoring sustained interest amid constrained supply and asking rents continuing to rise faster than the broader region due to limited availability and competitive positioning versus higher cost markets. This site in particular has proven to be very attractive to potential tenants because of its strategic location reaching over 143 million consumers within one day's truck transit, its proximity to several major highways and necessary infrastructure, and its access to a committed oversized power supply far exceeding standard distribution and heavy manufacturing specifications, coupled with exceptional water and wastewater capacities. This transitional capital investment, which is currently earning a preferred return of 7.8%, is a great example of the kinds of strategic investing and value add transaction structuring that we can provide to our developer partners so that we can support the growth of their businesses while we grow ours and maintain necessary optionality. In this case, this opportunity provides us with the ability to either move forward with a potentially substantial build to suit project, or, given the strong interest we have experienced with this site to date, to capture an attractive return by selling or refinancing our interests. We're excited about this one and look forward to sharing more as the project develops. I'll now turn to our regular way acquisition activity. Through the third quarter we have closed $253.2 million in new property acquisitions and 8.3 million in revenue generating capex, which together have a weighted average initial cash cap rate, lease term and annual rent increase of 7.1%, 12.3 years and 2.5% respectively, and the completed acquisitions have an attractive weighted average straight line yield of 8.2%. Subsequent to quarter end we have closed on $103.2 million of additional acquisitions and have approximately 67 million of acquisitions under control that are scheduled to close in the fourth quarter along with $1 million in commitments to fund revenue generating capex with existing tenants giving solid visibility into our investment activity for the full year. While we are certainly proud of our acquisitions this year, we are incredibly pleased with the way most of them have been sourced. More than two thirds of our acquisitions have been direct relationship based deals where our tenants, tenant sponsors and developer partners have selected BNL to help them grow their businesses to strategic sale leasebacks and developer takeouts. In a hyper competitive acquisitions environment characterized by an ever growing number of net lease buyers chasing a rather muted product supply, having a channel of attractive direct deals is more important than ever. Now shifting briefly to our in place portfolio, we were 99.5% leased at quarter end with only 3 of our 759 properties vacant and collected 100% of base rents due for the quarter for all properties under lease, representing a 90 basis point increase compared to Q3 2024. With respect to At Home and Claire's, we successfully navigated through both bankruptcy proceedings with all leases assumed and no concessions on rent. As a result, we do not anticipate realizing any lost rent from either tenant in 2025 with Claire's already paid up through the end of the calendar year. As you heard from us last quarter, we were confident that we would work through the at home and Claris situations as we have with any other portfolio matter, and that we would deliver attractive AFFO per share growth despite the noise surrounding these two discrete tenant credit events. That proved to be the case and those situations serve as two further examples in a growing list of instances where the market has overreacted to a tenant event and the subsequent headlines. Despite our long track record of successfully dealing with these types of situations when they occur, the impact on our business from a tenant credit event has rarely been from the event itself. More often it has been from the market's overreaction and the corresponding effect on our share price. Here we have proven again that our underwriting is sound and our battle tested team can navigate difficult situations when they arise. With that, I'll turn the call over to Kevin.

Kevin Fennell - Chief Financial Officer - (00:17:26)

Thank you Ryan. During the quarter we generated adjusted funds from operations of $74.3 million or $0.37 per share in line with the prior quarter and a 5.7% increase over Q3 of last year. Core G&A totaled $7.4 million for the quarter and $21.7 million year to date, continuing to track in line with the low end of our full year expectations of 30 to $31 million year to date bad debt totaled 30 basis points benefited by no bad debt incurrence during the third quarter. We have funded our investments through a combination of retained cash flow disposition proceeds and our revolving credit facility. We ended the quarter with pro forma leverage of 5.4 times net debt, approximately $38 million of unsettled equity and over $900 million available on our revolver, maintaining sufficient financial flexibility heading into the end of the year. In September we raised $350 million of 5% senior unsecured notes due November 2032, marking our return to the investment grade bond market for the first time since our inaugural issuance back in September of 2021. The transaction garnered significant interest with an order book that was nearly seven times oversubscribed and proceeds were primarily used to pay down our revolver balance. This level of interest in our business from this investor base is highly encouraging as our attention turns back to growth capital alongside medium term refinancing needs. We will continue opportunistically evaluating this market moving forward with an eye for maintaining our strong balance sheet and financial flexibility, making decisions we want to make versus those we have to make Last week our Board of directors approved a 29 cent dividend per share payable to holders of record as of December 31, 2025. On or before January 15, 2026, our dividend remains well covered. Our payout ratio continues to decline given our earnings growth from a peak of approximately 80% in Q1 of 2024, and our yield still represents a compelling investment relative to our peers. As John mentioned, we are increasing our 2025 per share guidance to a range of $1.49 to $1.50 with adjustments to key assumptions that include investment volume between $650 million and $750 million, an increase of $100 million at the midpoint, disposition volume between 75 million and $100 million reflecting identified transactions that have already occurred or are expected to occur. Regarding bad debt, we would normally maintain at least 50 basis points, for the remaining months in the year, but given no active or highly probable workout scenarios, we are expecting little to no bad debt to close out the year. Finally, it's always worth reminding everyone that our per share results for the year are sensitive to the timing, amount and mix of investment and disposition activity, as well as any capital markets activities that may occur during the year. Please reference last night's earnings release for additional details and we will now open the call up for questions.

OPERATOR - (00:20:40)

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press Star followed by one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star followed by two. When preparing to ask a question, please ensure your device is unmuted locally. First question comes from John Kim with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

John Kim - Equity Analyst at BMO Capital Markets - (00:21:01)

Thank you. Couple questions on the Build to suit John, you mentioned the value creation that you are set to realize, and some of these Build to Suit may be capital recycling opportunities for you. Is that currently your preferred outcome for some of these developments or are you just using that or you just mentioned this as a potential source of income. It's certainly not preferred.

John Morana - Chief Executive Officer - (00:21:26)

I like to joke that these are our babies. You know, we're, we're growing them up. We'd love to hold onto them for the long term, but given where cost of equity sits today, it is particularly after the last couple of days, it is something that we'll spend a lot of time thinking about. You know, our plan is to make sure that we can control our destiny and if we need to sell off some of these assets and capture the upside, not only is that going to be a great source of capital for us to be able to continue to grow this business, but it also helps prove out the concept. It's one thing for us to continue to emphasize the value creation and it is certainly something that we can point to market statistics and BOVs and all sorts of things, but there's a proof of concept there that may be useful one day in the future. So not the preferred outcome, but it is certainly something we're willing to do to continue to fund the business.

John Kim - Equity Analyst at BMO Capital Markets - (00:22:05)

Okay, thanks for clarifying. And then second, are you seeing more competition for built to suit projects given the success you've had so far? And then just following up, if you do sell some of these assets, some of these developments, would you need to put them back into acquisitions from a 1031 perspective or can those funds be put back into development?

John Morana - Chief Executive Officer - (00:22:29)

So from a competition standpoint, we're certainly seeing a little bit more. But the way that we have been working our relationships and making sure that we prove out the value of this team and the creative structure that we can bring and the surety of execution, the goal is to not to have any, you know, our best developer relationships are the ones where they bring us their pipeline every single week, every single month and they provide us with ample opportunity and to look at their deals and to work on them directly with them and not have to go through a marketed process. Ones that may involve a marketed process are Slightly less appealing to us. You know, we're looking for good relationships and that's something that we're similarly seeing on the acquisitions front, where, you know, the majority of our deal flow this year has been from, you know, direct off market relationships where our clients or sponsors are coming to us and looking for us to work with them. So those are the same types of relationships that we're working to curate within the Build to Suit pipeline. From a tax efficiency standpoint, certainly we'd be looking at that. You know, we're not going to be in a spot where you're going to be working losses or anything on these. So you'd want to make sure that we could readily deploy that into 1031s so that way we're not having any of the tax inefficiency that could come with it. So that would be more in the usual acquisition vein than it would be in Build suit.

John Kim - Equity Analyst at BMO Capital Markets - (00:23:37)

Got it. Okay, thank you.

Rana - (00:23:42)

We now turn to you, pal Rana with KeyBank. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Great. Thank you for taking my question. John. You appreciate the commentary on the ATM in your prepared remarks, but when you're looking at the possibility of issuing equity, are you looking at the particular share. Price or on when to issue, or. Is it based on the opportunity you're seeing coming up in order to execute on more investments? That's a little bit of both. But we lean more towards the opportunity set and looking at what the incremental cost of capital is relative to the investment pipeline. So that's why I mentioned in my remarks both the pipeline itself and having a more constructive cost of capital, which was of course a little bit more constructive 3 days ago than it is today. But you know, short term isn't going to drive sort of the longer term decisions that we're going to make here. So we'll continue to evaluate against the opportunity set and when that makes sense, that'll be more of the driving force than sort of the headline share price. In and of itself. Okay, great, that was helpful. And then in terms of the Build to Suit pipeline, you know, are you working to add anything more to 2026 or are you just looking at potentially. Building out 2027 at this point. For. 2026, we feel pretty good. As you heard from Ryan, we got 28 million that's coming online between now and the end of 2026 for 6.7% ABR growth. That feels great. So right now we're a lot more focused on 2027. From that standpoint, we'll certainly be Adding some incremental growth from an acquisition standpoint in 26. But the build to suits that are at the finish line right now for us. And as I mentioned, we've got a handful of things under executed loi and we've got a handful of things in late stage negotiations that we believe will come together in the next couple of months here. Those are really going to be for the benefit of 27 when you're talking, you know, average builds somewhere in that 1012 to 15 month range. Okay, great, that was helpful, thank you.

Anthony Pallone - Equity Analyst at KeyBank - (00:25:34)

We now turn to Anthony Pallone with JP Morgan. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Great, thanks. Just if I look at your lease expiration schedule between now and the end of 2027, it's about 10% of ABR. Is there anything we should be thinking about at this point where there's either known move outs or a part of that piece of the portfolio that you'll, you'll have to backfill or do something with nothing material?

John Morana - Chief Executive Officer - (00:26:03)

The executions that we've had so far this year have been really good. We've been at like 108% from leases that we have executed for situations where we know someone's vacating. We've been able to get out in front of it in terms of finding someone on the back end to either release or to sell. And we're doing the same thing. We've already gone through our underwriting teams, already looked all the way up through 2028. So we're planning well in advance and are having advanced discussions with those folks for 26 and even some for 27. So nothing material. And we feel pretty good about our ability to work through those over time and particularly next year. There's only 3%, so it's a fairly immaterial amount.

Anthony Pallone - Equity Analyst at KeyBank - (00:26:36)

Okay, thanks. And then you know, John, you said you kind of want to keep your babies. If we go outside of maybe some of the build the suits and things that you've been doing, what portion of the portfolio do you see as just being non core, more regular way dispositions? And is there you know, positive, negative or a wash on spreads on those types of transactions versus maybe where your investment returns are.

John Morana - Chief Executive Officer - (00:27:05)

So regular way disposition strategy for us outside of opportunistic sales is going to be a lot of like what you've seen this year more in that like 50 to $100 million. It's going to be regular portfolio pruning, customary asset management type stuff where we believe the right decision is to sell and move on from an asset. And usually after we've, you know, exhaust all alternatives or taken steps to try to improve the value of it before we go, whether it's from a lease extension or doing some TI or what have you, opportunistically we will look for places, you know, we actually have right now a handful of assets where we've received unsolicited offers to sell those. And we'll evaluate them and see if it makes sense for us to use that as an additional source of capital to redeploy back into our investment pipeline. From a non core standpoint, of course, as you all heard me say, lots. We will continue to work through the remaining clinical, but that's fairly immaterial. And so we'll take it bit by bit. Office will go bit by bit. So there's nothing holistic we're planning to do with either one of those. Anything that we're going to be doing on sort of that risk mitigation, asset.

Anthony Pallone - Equity Analyst at KeyBank - (00:28:02)

Management, you know, hopefully we're at par.

John Morana - Chief Executive Officer - (00:28:04)

Or better, maybe a little bit of a quality trade that we're getting from a higher cap rate into stuff that's core to our business. And anything that we do opportunistically we'll be doing primarily from a view of being able to get a good spread and reinvested into the pipeline.

Anthony Pallone - Equity Analyst at KeyBank - (00:28:19)

Okay, thank you.

Caitlin Burrows - Equity Analyst at Goldman Sachs - (00:28:24)

Our next question comes from Caitlin Burrows with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Hi, good morning everyone. Maybe on the transitional capital kind of properties or investments, you guys list three of them. Now I know you gave some detail in the prepared remarks, but I guess I was wondering if you could talk like how you think about those investments and the future plans. Sounds like maybe the industrial future plan might be different than the retail one. But for the industrial one, is it that you expect it to ultimately convert to a development site or not? And then on the retail one, kind of. What's the outlook for that as well?

John Morana - Chief Executive Officer - (00:29:02)

Yeah, I'll take the retail one first. That was less than a million dollars. It was a few hundred thousand dollars that we put on the retail site. It was in terms of releasing TI that we were doing there. Just as a reminder, that is a community center in St. Louis that's anchored by one of the top Home Depots in the country. That transitional capital came about as a way for us not only to support one of our developer partners growth, but also we were able to acquire 7 individual assets on a sale leaseback basis at basically high 7, low 8 cap rate for things like Chick Fil A and Bass Pro and Burger King and things like that. So a very attractive opportunity for us to not only get some individual sales, individual deals, excuse me, not sale leasebacks, but then to also get this preferred capital joint venture structure that we put in place for Sunset Hills, the property that we own, where we'll hold it for the next couple of years. We were waiting for the Home Depot to renew its lease, which it did this year. Right now will hold, but then there may be a plan in the future if we choose to monetize that on the industrial site. It's still in early stages, so we're a little bit limited in what we can say, but our view is absolutely that that is going to convert into a. Build to Suit. We came into it with the view of not only having a lot of optionality, but also a lot of upside. You know, you heard from Ryan on the call about heavy power, heavy water, the strategic location. We're seeing a lot of interest in the site already by both prospective tenants, including those in the beverage packaging logistics industries. We also have some owner users that are looking to purchase the land from us already actually at a multiple of our invested capital. So lots of upside, we think lots of optionality, depending on which way it goes. And the hope is that that will convert in the near term into one or more the suits for us.

Caitlin Burrows - Equity Analyst at Goldman Sachs - (00:30:41)

Got it. And then sorry to bring it up again, but just on the funding side. So I know last quarter, and obviously a lot has happened since last quarter, but last quarter you guys mentioned how you still had leverage capacity and the share price wasn't so attractive, so you'd lean into the leverage side, I guess. How are you thinking today? Realize that it's share price dependent. But about like you even mentioned in the prepared remarks that you think there's still a lot of upside to the share price. So. So leaning on leverage maybe for longer, realizing you don't have a crystal ball on the equity side, but leaning on leverage for longer before relying on the equity side. I guess.

John Morana - Chief Executive Officer - (00:31:19)

That'S a fair summary, I think. Still holding pretty firm to our staying inside leverage or six times leverage on a sustained basis. We've been talking all year how we. Plan to put that to work. That's what we're doing. But still very much aligned with maintaining that discipline around the balance sheet. And I think if you pair that with John's comments earlier about the opportunity set relative to where we're trading, you know, it's certainly a dynamic equation that we continue to evaluate.

Caitlin Burrows - Equity Analyst at Goldman Sachs - (00:31:46)

Thanks.

Ronald Camden - Equity Analyst at Morgan Stanley - (00:31:51)

We now turn to Ronald Camden with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Hey, just two quick ones. Just back to the regular way acquisitions. I take it that was a big. Driver of the guidance raise sort of this quarter. Maybe. Can you just talk through just the amount of product that's been coming online and between industrial and retail. Are you sort of seeing any sort of changes in cap rate, cap rate compression or anything like that? So talk to the product on the market and potential for cap rate compression, industrial versus retail. Thanks.

John Morana - Chief Executive Officer - (00:32:28)

Yeah, so we're seeing a lot of good product. It's certainly not as much as I think we or anyone hope for. Hopefully those numbers will increase over time, but that's going to take some macro shifts either from an interest rate environment or from an overall sort of macro certainty and calm to start seeing a little bit more volume and see it creep back up to levels a little bit higher than what we've seen since 2023. Cap rates feel like to me at least that they plateaued a little bit. You know, competition is as fierce right now as it's been as we've been at least talking about it for the last year. There's lots of folks that are looking just because they're bigger, bigger ticket sizes and then the retail stuff has obviously been in favor and that's the majority or the predominant asset class for most of our peers and for a lot of the private platforms that have come online this year. So we're still focused on things that. Work relative to our cost capital. So we're in that sort of seven cap and north range for everything that we're looking at as things sort of go south from there. From a cap rate compression standpoint, it starts to be less interesting to us. We also find a lot of those deals to not necessarily be appropriately priced from a risk adjusted return standpoint. There's lots of folks that have different incentives than we do in terms of deployment and leverageability and things. So you know, it's multi variable calculus in terms of how we're thinking about what we're going to be adding into our pipeline.

Ronald Camden - Equity Analyst at Morgan Stanley - (00:33:44)

Helpful. And, and then just back on the. On on the build to suits. Maybe just a quick update on just the. I know you guys mitigate a lot of the construction costs and so forth, but just what's the update on the environment in terms of where construction costs are trending and so forth? Thanks.

John Morana - Chief Executive Officer - (00:34:03)

Yeah, construction costs certainly have gone up. You know, the tariffs didn't help in a lot of ways. But most of that is on, you know, the hard cost components of our build to suits and that on a relative basis is a fairly small percentage of the overall budget on these things when you add in all the design and the architecture costs and soft costs and things like that. So they certainly have gone up. Labor has gone up as well. But in terms of being able to make the economics work for us, we haven't had any issues with that.

Ronald Camden - Equity Analyst at Morgan Stanley - (00:34:30)

Great. That's it for me. Thank you.

Jay Cornreich - Equity Analyst at Cancer Fitzgerald - (00:34:35)

We now turn to Jay Cornreich with Cancer Fitzgerald. Your line is open. Please go ahead. All right, thanks very much. I just wanted to follow up on the regular a acquisition side of the story as that, you know, part of the investments start to pick up. Are there any guideposts that you think about as to, you know, what, what part of the future earnings story you'd like to see? Regular way acquisitions versus developments.

John Morana - Chief Executive Officer - (00:35:01)

So I'd love to be in a spot at the beginning of every single year where our sort of forward pipeline of build to suits that we have coming online a particular year gives us a baseline of growth that we feel is relatively attractive in and of itself and then put ourselves in a position through the regular way acquisitions where we can sort of top that off and push our growth to a more attractive place. And then maybe as importantly, we always want to be in a spot where when we get the phone call from one of our clients, one of our sponsors, one of our partners, that they have a deal that they want to do with us directly, they're not taking it to market. They want to work with us because of the relationship that we're always in a spot where we can be able to do those deals. And that's something that we've been emphasizing a lot this year. If you look at the volume of deals that we've done this year on the regular way side, it's about 430 million closed and under control. More than two thirds of that, maybe even higher, are things that we're seeing on a direct relationship based off basis place. And that's why that number is higher than we anticipated at the beginning of the year. At the beginning of the year there were certain ones that we saw, but as the course of the year moved on and people started calling, we were in a spot where we could help them grow their business at the same time that we grow ours. And that's something that we always want to make sure that we can do.

Jay Cornreich - Equity Analyst at Cancer Fitzgerald - (00:36:09)

So.

John Morana - Chief Executive Officer - (00:36:10)

So going into a year want to have a baseline of growth already locked in and then be in a spot where we can upsize that with additional deals at the same time that we're serving our clients needs.

Jay Cornreich - Equity Analyst at Cancer Fitzgerald - (00:36:22)

I appreciate that color. And then just one follow up on the tenant credit side. You mentioned expecting no bad debt through the rest of the year, which is great. So just curious, as we look into 2026, are there any specific tenants on the watch list to call out or is it looking, I guess, relatively clean from your vantage point at this point?

John Morana - Chief Executive Officer - (00:36:41)

Yeah, I feel pretty good about our watch list right now. There's no individual tenant names that I would call out in the way that we have in the past, particularly this year with that home and Claire's and Zips at the beginning of it. So no specific names to talk about. You know, we're paying a lot of attention to the furnishing, you know, furniture, home furnishing sector, you know, some casual dining stuff, as well as folks with near term debt maturities. So the list of sort of sectors or industries or factors that we paying attention to hasn't changed probably in the last two years. It's all fairly consistent. Consistent, but there's nothing material or no individual names that I would mention.

Jay Cornreich - Equity Analyst at Cancer Fitzgerald - (00:37:15)

All right, great. Thanks very much.

OPERATOR - (00:37:21)

As another reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad now. We now turn to Ryan Caviolo with Green Street. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Ryan Caviolo - (00:37:32)

Hello, good morning, everyone. Could you provide some color on the average deal size and box size you're targeting in regards to the acquisition pipeline? Thought it was interesting the last time you acquired this much in a quarter is across 27 new properties in 2024 versus this quarter across three larger properties. Is that a strategic shift or just opportunistic?

John Morana - Chief Executive Officer - (00:37:55)

It's opportunistic. It really depends on are we buying retail or are we buying industrial. Our box size and the ticket size of a deal is always going to be much larger on the industrial side than the retail. So the change between those quarters is really just a reflection of the makeup of retail versus industrial.

Ryan Caviolo - (00:38:13)

Got it, thanks. And then, you know, going to the US Administration, I know there's been a lot of noise around tariffs. Could you remind us how any policies upcoming are impacting US Manufacturing and on shoring activity for your tenants? And is there a timing on any of those tailwinds.

John Morana - Chief Executive Officer - (00:38:33)

From a tailwind standpoint? I mean, I mentioned this a little bit in my prepared remarks. We actually think that there's a longer term, really positive tailwind for the industrial sector from a reshoring standpoint and not just from reshoring that manufacturing, but also, as I said, there's these beneficial knock on effects that you get because as you bring additional manufacturing and other types of activity, United States, you then have to have the logistics and the distribution assets surrounding it to support that type of growth. So we think we're entering into a really positive multi year period where those tailwinds are going to help push some additional interest in investments and good opportunities for us on the industrial side and particularly on the build to suit side. So we're having conversations that are clearly stemming from that type of tailwind from administrative policy and then we're also seeing it in our existing portfolio.

Ryan Caviolo - (00:39:21)

Great. Appreciate the color.

Eric Borden - Equity Analyst at VMO Capital Markets - (00:39:26)

Our next question comes from Eric Borden with VMO Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Hey, good morning everyone. I just wanted to touch on At Home and Claire's just, just given the positive outcome there, you know, could you just provide an update on your long term thoughts whether you plan to keep those assets or use them as an attractive piece of paper for capital recycling?

John Morana - Chief Executive Officer - (00:39:53)

It'll depend. You know, At Home we think has, you know, a decent chance in terms of reemerging the bankruptcy with the structure they put in place. We were very pleased to see during the bankruptcy process that they actually reopened some stores that they originally thought that they were going to be closing, which gives you a view into the confidence that that management team has in their model and their ability to run that business. So at home we'll continue to evaluate, but that one may sit there for a little while. Claire's is, you know, certainly emerging as a smaller business. And so in the near term we're going to be looking at, is there a way for us to help them transition to that smaller business? It's great that, you know, we're paid up through the end of the year and they assume the lease on the other side of it. We'll evaluate that in 26 and if we can find a way to help them transition into that smaller business at the same time that we're able to bring someone else into our asset or sell it or do something different with it and generate some additional return for us either with a re leasing, multi tenant leasing or with a sale, we'll absolutely explore that.

Eric Borden - Equity Analyst at VMO Capital Markets - (00:40:49)

Okay, thank you. And then just on the build to suit side, I know you've mentioned there's some competition from the investment side, but from the owner user, has there been any change or thinking on their plans to accelerate or decelerate any new building opportunities? Just given the, the pressures from layoffs that we've seen in the headlines?

John Morana - Chief Executive Officer - (00:41:18)

So that's really going to be client specific in terms of how they're thinking about what their business is. You know, I've said this a bunch of times, but you know, our clients in the build to suit space are making, you know, multi year, sometimes multi decade decisions here. And so they want to make sure that they're making the right one from a capital allocation standpoint, and as do we. So what we've seen is there's been a little bit of a slowing down of people making decisions, but the pipeline is big enough to accommodate that. And so being in a spot where we can feel confident that, you know, the decisions that they're making are going to help support the decisions that we make. You know, if it takes an extra month or a quarter to get there, then that's okay because the pipeline is big enough for us to be able to fill out what we're looking for for 2026. And as I said earlier, we're already looking at 2027, which is one of the real benefits of this strategy. You know, when you're trying to fill your pipeline on a quarter by quarter basis with regular way deals, if a quarter slips, a quarter slips. And that can hurt a lot. When you're in our business and you're looking out to 2027 and the growth you're having there. If something pushes a month but you're still going to have it come online, you know, 15 months from now, that feels pretty good. So we're in a great spot. Both the robust pipeline with a bunch of resilient operators, developers that are very busy right now looking at new deals and look forward to having additional announcements in the coming months and quarters. On that front.

Eric Borden - Equity Analyst at VMO Capital Markets - (00:42:30)

Thank you very much.

Caitlin Burrows - Equity Analyst at Goldman Sachs - (00:42:35)

We have a follow up from Caitlin Burrows at Goldman Sachs. Your line is open. Please go ahead. Hi again, just to follow up on the Build to Suit pipeline, it sounded like you mentioned in the prepared remarks that you were confident in reaching the $500 million of announcements by year end, which requires a lot more volume. So I guess as you think about kind of the pace of announcements that you've had this year, is there anything that's held up recent? Incremental announcements? Maybe they're bigger deals and just take longer. Do you want to just save a lot of that excitement for the investor day or just could you comment on how that timing is kind of working out versus expectations?

John Morana - Chief Executive Officer - (00:43:16)

Yeah, there's a little bit of timing there where some stuff will close, sort of close in terms of becoming committed towards the end of the year. But I don't think we're as far off as you might. We're at 256, seven in terms of seven different build to suits that we started this year. You know, beginning with southwire which we paper closed at the very, very end of 24 but didn't actually start funding until January. You take the multiple projects we have under executed loi which hopefully will have some of those out in the next couple of weeks and months here and then you know we are looking at our transitional capital, the $85 million investment we've got there as a future build to suit. So take all those things together. We're north of 400 million so it's a chip shot for us to finish out the rest of the year and we feel pretty good about what we're seeing in the pipeline for it.

Caitlin Burrows - Equity Analyst at Goldman Sachs - (00:44:01)

Got it. Thanks.

OPERATOR - (00:44:06)

We have no further questions. So now I'll hand back to John Morano for any final remarks.

John Morana - Chief Executive Officer - (00:44:12)

Thanks everybody for joining us today. Hope you have a good rest of your day.

OPERATOR - (00:44:17)

Ladies and gentlemen, today's call has now concluded. We'd like to thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.

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